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[–] deadbeef79000 59 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I find the top three ratios interesting: there's a tiny skew towards females but a huge skew towards males.

It doesn't show what the green threshold is though. From memory, the natural birth ratio is 49:51 m:f, so the female skew is only about 3% while the male skew is about 20%. Seven times larger.

If I were colouring the map, I don't think I'd have bothered with differentiating purple and green, or perhaps used more graduations.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My guess is that there isn't a country out there that has a cultural preference for women over men, so at best you're going to see fairly close to equal, plus the difference of men dying earlier from things like wars, dangerous jobs, and lifestyle.

Whereas there are many cultures that strongly select for male children, plus some that also bring in high numbers of male workers.

[–] deadbeef79000 12 points 1 week ago

Yep, that's the point I was circling around ;-)

I was wondering if there was a correlation between purple and war. There certainly was in early C20 post world-wars.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A lot of countries / cultures do still have bride prices , i.e. reverse dowry, so there is some economic incentive for women there but probably not enough to commit infanticide or selective abortions that causes some of the lopsided male ratios.

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

India prohibited doctors from telling parents the sex of their unborn child to combat sex selection.

[–] Patariki@feddit.nl 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just a guess, but I think the difference in a country like Qatar can be explained by the import of labor. They hire a workforce from a different country which tend to be dominantly male in those regions. And we've seen with the football WC how they're developing.

[–] deadbeef79000 6 points 1 week ago

https://seasia.co/infographic/qatar-population-by-nationalities-2024 reckons 20% of the entire population of Qatar are Indian. If that's mostly workforce then yeah. It could easily be the skew.

[–] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Isn't this mostly showing that females have longer lifespans and in countries where they have weird preference for boys, the skew towards male?

[–] zarkony@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, plus migrant labor. I imagine most countries that skew male are only a percent or two off. The major outliers are the Persian gulf nations, because they are tiny and rich. All those extra men are migrant workers from poorer nations, sending money back home.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Also impacting the ratios of where they left from.

A lot of men from Lithuania will work abroad, artificially inflating the ratio of women left behind

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it's not "young hot women got no one to fuck". It's mostly grannies. The more purple the country, the more grannies it has.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Yup. In Lithuania, women tend to live 10-15 years longer, hence the surplus of women.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Omg is there infanticide going on in qatar and the likes? Or are people not registering female births?

Please let it be the latter, as a bad solution amongst worse solutions.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In many countries where males are valued more highly culturally, infanticide is depressingly common. On a similar note, many countries have outlawed doctors revealing the baby's sex during pregnancy appointments because too many parents would end the pregnancy if it was going to be a girl.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Immigrant workers who tend to be males

[–] iii@mander.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Can you elaborate? As for as I know this is about sex registred ar birth, unrelated to immigration.

[–] odium@programming.dev 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Qatar and UAE are small petro states with more immigrants than natives. Most of these immigrant laborers are men in their 20s which skews the gender ratio.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Thank you, that makes much more sense. I EU too, most refugees tend to be male.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

Where did u see that? The map just says population ratio

[–] superkret@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is it? Where do you see that?

[–] iii@mander.xyz 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Thank you for the question. On second thought: I misunderstood

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I can only speak for Malaysia. So here's the news from last year census:

https://www.bernama.com/en/news.php?id=2297508#:~:text=He%20said%20the%20country's%20male,100%20females%2C%E2%80%9D%20he%20said.

In general, for citizen it's 103:100 male/female ratio, it's only when added the whole population, including permanent resident and immigrant, the ratio skewed to 111:100, because there's more immigrant men coming in to work as blue collar than women. There's no widespread infanticide happening as far as i can tell, so it's very likely just happen naturally.

What happened in Qatar is very likely similar situation.

[–] modeler@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's no widespread infanticide happening as far as i can tell

Just a little female infanticide going on.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 6 points 1 week ago

As little as USA, that's true. Except US prefer to kill pregnant woman, we here have free healthcare and sensible abortion rule.

[–] olosta@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

This is probably on the whole population, so predominantly male immigration is likely the main reason.

The map is not very helpful about what is actually depicted but wikipedia has similar data with a breakdown by age :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_sex_ratio

Qatar for instance is not very high (this is a ratio of number of male over number of female) on the "at birth" and "0-14" age bracket with 1.02. it's actually a bit lower than western countries.

The data is still concerning in some countries with notably larger "at birth" ratio and even an increase in th "0-14" age bracket.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

I'm assuming it's all the indenture workers skewing the results.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remember when there were a like 114 boys to 100 girls in China? That means they killed around 10-15 girls for every 100 girls born.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

I'd heard China was gay as santorum but fuck that's a wild ratio.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

75% male?? What's Qatar doing??

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My educated guess would be immigrant workforce

[–] Somethingcheezie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My uneducated guess was slaves

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Overall the places with more men seem to also be places where it's not fun to be a woman. Wonder how much of the ratio is due to poor healthcare options and lack of cultural appreciation/equality for women?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Women leaving Norway and Sweden?

[–] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

France more female , damn I m bad. 😔

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 week ago

Society with more "males" is a miserable place lol

Sucks to sucks Muslims, Indians and Chinese

Sure way to lead to an implosion, inshallah

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm guessing the pink ones are the countries that are the most at war with other countries.

Or the blue ones are the ones that recently got out of war and are experiencing the Returning Soldier Effect

[–] Sybilvane@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Life expectancy is longer for women, so I think it's just countries with nothing weird going on, but they'll still have significantly more older women than older men.

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The one that counts, not the one about clothes and voice training.

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I meant - Insects? Birds? Fish?

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

Guess again, if you don't get there by deduction, maybe you'll arrive by sheer volume and determination.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today -4 points 1 week ago

As measured by statistics*