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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 12 hours ago

Tragedy? He wanted to be president all his life and he got there.

He funded a genocide. I think that was tragic.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not like this is the story of a great man who through no fault of his own ends up with a tarnished reputation. He was never all that good and his tarnished reputation is a direct result of his own choices and actions.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

many of us hated him way back to when Obama picked him as a VP choice. Terrible, terrible idea.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Wasn’t his entire appeal to be the white middle class appealing conservative type who would ensure the more ”progressive” Obama didn’t get out of hand.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like I can't even think of the great positive accomplishment that would be tarnished by the end of his presidency. As a comparison, Ruth Bader Ginsburg actually did some important and positive things before her selfishness destroyed her legacy. What was Biden's greatest hit? Maybe being slightly less anti-gay than the conservative wing of the Democratic party during Obama's term? Nothing during his presidency seems to rise to the level of a historic accomplishment. His legislative career was mostly bad.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

The great tragedy was that he did it for 5 decades instead of retiring long, long ago.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, he's tons better than the dipshit getting ready to replace him, but that doesn't put him anywhere near 'good'.

Let's not lower our standards just because of the orange contrast.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world -4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

What standards? If you can’t get over the concept and f an ideal president, you’re going to be very disappointed the rest of your life. You should absolutely advocate your preferences and cast your best vote. However the reality is that all too often you need to vote against the worst candidate or compromise on the least bad.

Biden may not have been my ideal candidate either but it was an easy choice to vote for him over the other guy and I do believe he did better than most here give home credit for

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

What standards? If you can’t get over the concept and f an ideal president, you’re going to be very disappointed the rest of your life.

"Don't sell weapons for genocide"

"ZOMG YOU WANT PERFECTION!!!!!"

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

"“The Joe Biden story is one of the great tragedies of American politics. I really mean that. He should be having a glorious, well deserved, highly acclaimed retirement. And he’s not,” veteran Democratic political strategist James Carville said"

Its a bigger tragedy that James Carville still gets quoted in the last 20 years. He should be selling used cars in New Jersey.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Where are all the centrists who insist that Biden is the most progressive president who ever drew breath?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Here. He ran as a centrist, acted as a centrist, and pursued the most progressive policies of any president in my life, except maybe Carter

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

"Pursued" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.

The Inflation Reduction Act is the biggest thing Biden got done. Centrists expect everyone to act like it's the New Deal and the Great Society rolled into one. That ain't holding water. We saw what we lost with BBB.

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not a centrist but he's absolutely been the most progressive president in my lifetime in terms of policy.

[–] shadowfax13@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

are you 8 years old ? otherwise a shameless genocider who sold american working class to corpos is likely the worst scammer to be in white house after trump

[–] Letme@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Where are all the progressive centrists? I gotta see that

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

There aren't any. But there is no shortage of centrists who want progressives to be happy with what makes centrists happy. They'll outright lie and say that Biden is progressive.

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Probably Franklin Roosevelt, though cases can be made for both Lyndon Johnson and Theodore Roosevelt.

[–] Ithral@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 23 hours ago

Probably FDR

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 35 points 1 day ago

Tragedy because it's ending? Or tragedy because it's JUST NOW ending?

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 16 points 1 day ago

Best part about his presidency was him getting out of the way and letting Bernie and Warren do pro labor and consumer things.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, Biden pushed through a lot of harmful legislation in his career.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Yup he was big on killing the advanced us nuclear power program during the clinton admin. Just because the republicans were pro nuclear. That did more damage to our carbon footprint than any good that came from the IRA.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Kinda seems like he got everything he ever wanted.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

I can't believe he'd throw away his legacy of decades of destroying black people's lives 😔