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Daily reminder that
- Brave's CEO donates to homophobic organizations and
- Brave is connected to the BAT pay-to-surf scam
Don't use Brave.
this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2025
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- Brave is based on Chromium and therefore helps contribute to Google having hegemony over web standards.
Always use a Firefox-based browser, even if you think Mozilla sucks.
At least until Ladybird is ready. I hope they are not under too much pressure to rush things so we get a truly independent web browser.
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Yup! It is noted in the highlighted text in red. I've had several people respond that they didn't know about it, and would be making the switch away :)
Never had a good feeling about that one.
It's a shitty "secure" browser to begin with imho
I'm waiting for Servo (I know it's not a browser) & LadyBird.
Also reminder that StartPage is majority-owned by American ad company Sytem1
stop promoting brave. oh my god it's 2025 how good is their propaganda... they were never cool.
I wish Kagi was not American. I was pretty happy with it until America became a thread
Me too. Kagi is the best of them all, including Google.
The only downside? It's an American company.
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Worth noting about Startpage: they're part of System1, an American advertising/marketing company. Sytem1 claims that privacy is one of the biggest focuses though. Make of that what you will.
They're basically all compromised in one way or another. ๐
For Search, it is about finding the least bad option and hope that they will become more independent. Mojeek (fully independent but poor quality) or Qwant (building own index, but dependent on Bing)
Pretty weak chart to not even include "I care most about porn search"
Not a search engine, but last week I learned of the European Open Websearch project, which builds a new free and open search index. It should already be ready to try out. Hopefully we will see some search engines implementing this soon.
For now Iโll stick with SearXNG, itโs among the first things I get up and running when I distro hop, but Iโm glad there are other non-US options to try.
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Very strange to put Kagi as โless privateโ when itโs the only non-self-hosted option that allows for completely private searches with their Privacy Pass tokens. You can access them with Tor, pay with crypto (not really that private though), and sign up with a fake email. https://kagi.com/privacy#anonymity
It isn't marked as less private. It is grayed out because it is not based in Europe. I personally use them as I find them the best option with what is out there.
The text at the bottom says โkagi doesnโt collect any identifying data, but does require an account, so it is considered less private than the alternativesโ.
I think that's Walnut's nod to the fact that PrivacyGuides still hasn't wrapped their head around the concept of paid search.
I haven't seen any legitimate evidence that Kagi's Privacy Pass is any less private than any other search option on the market, but long ago PG defined private search as "not requiring an account" and are completely locked up on that concept.
Even though just about every VPN on the planet (and all of their recommended ones) require accounts, as do most of the other services they recommend. The world is just so used to "free" search (which just sells your data or your time) that they don't know what to do with a new business model.
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I've been happy with DDG for so long. Uuugh.
Honestly I shopped around a lot and tried various services for 7 days each. In the end I came back to DDG because it's the most useful engine to me. It delivers results I look for and doesn't get in the way.
As a result I'm not quite satisfied, but it will have to do for now.
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I recommend Ecosia!
I changed to Ecosia when I last saw this chart. It's working really well and is my main search engine across all my devices now.
But now I'm considering moving to Mojeek if that's better for privacy.
Ecosia is based in the EU and it's working together with Qwant to build an European index. But Ecosia's mission is planting trees, and in order to do that they need revenue, which comes from targeted advertising.
@Scrollone @cRazi_man But I think itโs contextual advertising. If you search for โlawnmowerโ you get lawnmower ads.
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Ecosia is a better balance between experience and independence. Mojeek sadly will be a hit in terms of quality of results.
I switched from duckduckgo to ecosia based off your graphic :)
Thanks. This I nice little guide, easy to suss and helps me figure my priorities.
I really wish Kagi wasn't American. Kagi is such a good product, and I'd be willing to pay for it, but in no universe am I willing to pump more money into silicon valley.
Can't wait to get some news about Qwant and Ecosia new index
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