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Ladybird Browser Gains Cloudflare Support to Challenge the Status Quo (linuxiac.com)

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[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 154 points 11 months ago

Cloudflare and "challenging the status quo" in the same phrase ?

[-] Damage@feddit.it 55 points 11 months ago

Well, the browser status quo. I guess they want their own Chrome.

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 51 points 11 months ago

Its sponsorship only of an open source browser, with no telemetry, advertising, crypto, etc, etc built in.

Sponsors get listed as sponsors, thats it.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 12 points 11 months ago

For now

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 5 points 11 months ago

So when they do just fork it?

I likely won't touch it anyway, but it is fully open source, so it can be forked easily. With the transition to Swift I suspect there would be plenty of devs who could take things forward if they wanted to.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 5 points 11 months ago

If you look at history, Google did the opposite with Chrome, they forked an open source browser and turned it into the world's most used.
I guess we'll see.

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 points 11 months ago

Thats google though, with the added ability to put it direct into an extremely common OS (Android). With ladybird, you've got an apparent neocon and 3 years currently planned for a GA release (2028). Its future is already pretty uncertain regardless of sponsorship.

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[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 58 points 11 months ago

Cloudflare has announced its sponsorship of the Ladybird browser, an independent (still-in-development) open-source initiative

Is it still independent?

[-] shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 11 months ago

Yes, and their donations are limited to 100k a year per corporation/organization, so there cant be a company who comes, donates 20million and then tries to gain control of them through money

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[-] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 11 months ago

Yes, it is still independent. Cloudflare is just one of the three Platinum sponsors. Other two are Shopify and FUTO. Proton is also a sponsor, but in Gold tier, iirc.

[-] Dionysus@leminal.space 2 points 11 months ago

Shopify being a sponsor makes it highly suspect instantly.

[-] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

Andreas (lead engineer) has told the story of how he got that money - they just happen to know each other and $100k is peanuts for the Shopify founders.

But you’re right to suspect anything of the sort!

[-] Sina@beehaw.org 14 points 11 months ago

I think It's on their charter that no matter how much corporate money they'll get they'll never accept any outside influence just the same. The donators are amply warned to not expect anything other than development as usual or faster.

[-] SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

they stated on their website this project will remain independet and that donators don´t have a say in how this is being developed

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[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 11 points 11 months ago

Still, it’s hard to understand why Cloudflare chose to back exactly Omarchy.

Maybe the developers in Cloudflare use it? Also weird because Omarchy's default browser is Chromium I think. The webpage didn't list the default browser, so not sure about that.

[-] mondoman712@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

Here's one theory: https://drewdevault.com/2025/09/24/2025-09-24-Cloudflare-and-fascists.html

[-] railway692@piefed.zip 26 points 11 months ago

Anyway, Omarchy and Ladybird are both run by fascists. Omarchy makes this pretty obvious from the outset – on the home page the big YouTube poster image prominently features SuperGrok, which is a pathetically transparent dog-whistle to signal alliance with Elon Musk’s fascist politics. Omarchy is the pet project of David Heinemeier Hansson, aka DHH, who is well known as a rich fascist weirdo.2 One need only consult his blog to browse his weird, racist views on immigration, fat-shaming objections to diverse representation, vaguely anti-feminist/homophobic/rapey rants on consent, and, recently, tone-policing antifascists who celebrate the death of notable fascist Charlie Kirk.

Speaking of tributes to Charlie Kirk, that brings us to Andreas Kling, the project lead for Ladybird, who tweeted on the occasion of his assassination:

RIP Charlie Kirk

I hope many more debate nerds carry on his quest to engage young people with words, not fists.

– @awesomekling

I was not prepared to learn these things today.

[-] lime@feddit.nu 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

most people outside the us have never heard any of kirk's talking points. if you only know that he is a conservative debater and use your normal (non-us) definition of "conservative", then "people should not die for their opinions" is not a controversial take. i'm not saying that's what's happened here but it's the most likely situation considering klings history.

[-] lavander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago

The argument on Kling seems pretty weak to me… is he Fascist because… he doesn’t support violence and an assassination? 🙄

By this logic for being not fascist one must support the death penalty?

I am pretty sure fascists are in favour of violence and murder (in fact the person cited was killed by a fascist)

[-] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

RIP Charlie Kirk

I hope many more debate nerds carry on his quest to engage young people with words, not fists.

"carry on his quest". What was Charlie Kirks quest again? Where does he say he doesn't support violence and assassination? Are you Klings PR?

I am pretty sure fascists are in favour of violence and murder (in fact the person cited was killed by a fascist)

Just because fascists kill fascists doesn't make spreding hate less fascist. Does your definition of fascists only start when they start shooting people on sight?

People like kirk were revelling in current administration. But since they didn't "use violence", they must've been innocent in all this trend, huh?

Honestly there's a reason fascists are on the rise. People like you seem too oblivious to see the subtle narrative of spreading hate by casual undertones.

But hey, you do you. I hope you take up his quest as well.

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[-] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah, they could have just backed arch

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Challenge the status quo in a Snowpiercer fashion.

[-] matdave@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

I've got a roach farm, so I'm already on board.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

ladybird browser coming up with status quo integration so they challenge status quo.

it's like these browser devs have no idea what people actually want in a browser.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

There's nothing about integrating anything (I assume you mean Cloudflare turnstile?). It's Cloudflare giving money to projects they like. Apparently Ladybird also has a 100k per donor limit, so that's the max Cloudflare can give (annually?)

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[-] antrosapien@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Straight outta Onion

[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 11 months ago

challenge the status quo by partnering with the status quo...

[-] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago

pack it up folks, we've been compromised

[-] miked@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago

I've seen a lot of Ladybird news recently. Let me know when I can actually try using it.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

This is very encouraging:

Ladybird uses a new browser engine called LibWeb that is being created from scratch by the development team.

Browsers that rely on Chromium / Blink rely on Google. Firefox relies on Google for its funding, so any browser based on Gecko relies on Google. If they can make a browser engine that has rough feature parity with Chromium but doesn''t rely on Google that's very healthy for the web.

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