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submitted 10 months ago by Sunflier@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

The decision issued October 7 by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey I. Cummings extends court oversight of the agency until February 2, 2026, and warns that officers who disregard the order could face contempt or criminal referral.

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[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 170 points 10 months ago

unlawful actions

Uhhh... those are called crimes.

I'm sorry, were ICE agents just entirely above the law before this ruling???

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 92 points 10 months ago

Still are.

Sure, the ruling says they CAN be arrested for doing illegal things. But are they going to be? Cop sees ICE beating down a brown person. Is the cop going to run over and arrest them?

Or will they assist ICE?

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

Depends on the city, and their leadership. Some cities have already directed their police specifically not to assist ICE. Not a huge jump from there to "treat them like a regular civilian".

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[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

I'm sorry, were ICE agents just entirely above the law before this ruling???

Police, by default, are thanks to Qualified Immunity. It takes a judge and a shit ton of evidence to waive that inherent protection. Even for situations where the officers were violating constitutional and statutory rights, and even someone with a severe mental handicap would know clearly that those actions were illegal.

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 17 points 10 months ago

Qualified Immunity is such bullshit.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, technically they’re not. Cops could always be arrested for unlawful actions. And “qualified immunity” includes the word “qualified”.

This is Just like the the literal/figurative debacle: for some reason people are good with redefining a word as it’s opposite. literal now means figurative. “Qualified” now means “complete”

This is a start because it declares federal agents are the same, but as long as qualified immunity means complete immunity it’s only limited help in restoring law

[-] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago

Uhhh… those are called crimes.

Sort of. In most places, they will be the same, but in legal terms for law enforcement, "unlawful" really means that it isn't permitted by the law. The action might not be criminal, as in there is a law forbidding it. Again, in most places that means the actions are illegal, because of laws that criminalize the violation of a person's civil rights, but that's not always the case.

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[-] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago

Reminder: Federal judges can deputize as many citizens as they need to enforce a ruling and there are about 80k well trained, freshly fired park rangers that may want to assist with that.

[-] axexrx@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Hell deputize every citizen (including membets of local PDs) to police ice- and effectively youve taken away their sovereign and qualified immunities.

[-] bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 10 months ago

And started a universal basic income!

[-] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago

I’m sure the racist pigs will get right on arresting the racist pigs

[-] Bluewing@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

Turf wars are a thing with law enforcement agencies.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not even just agencies. I used to live in a small town whose PD was in a feud with the PD of the next town over. It was hilarious (in a sad way) how they would keep busting each other for DUI in each other's towns.

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[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

After getting pepper sprayed by the ice gestapo they just might lol

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[-] Bangs42@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

This needed a fucking ruling?!

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 12 points 10 months ago

It does, unfortunately.

"If any of you local or state law enforcement decide to grow a spine: the state courts have your back."

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

Cool. Let's start seeing some arrests of these motherfuckers.

[-] deadbeef79000 25 points 10 months ago

If the cops perform the job as is typical, they'll just yell "he's got a gun" and shoot them.

[-] BingBong@sh.itjust.works 28 points 10 months ago

You know, if it's ICE on the receiving end instead of a random black guy I'm pretty happy with that improvement.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 37 points 10 months ago
[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Trump administration expected to appeal the decision.

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[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 35 points 10 months ago

“no one who wears the badge of public safety should be able to abuse their power or break the law.”

Lololol

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[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 months ago

We need militias to conduct citizen's arrests on these anti-constitution traitors.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 8 points 10 months ago

We need militias to arrest the anti-constitition traitors who are sending them.

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[-] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago
[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Arrest them on sight because they're imminently dangerous, organize the widely available evidence and bring charges after they've been secured in a cell

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

This should have never been a debate.

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 18 points 10 months ago

Arrest ICE. They regularly use false or no plates on their vehicles - it would be a slam-dunk case, since the police can just read the plates to see if they are real. Once arrested, the masks go off and the criminal histories will be open for all to see. In this fashion, Blue States can delegitimize federal traffickers, and further prosecute the Trump Regime in the courts of public opinion and state law.

[-] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Citizen arrests are going to get messy.

[-] cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago
[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 17 points 10 months ago

The day a non-right-wing judge or politician orders the arrest of a right-wing federal agent or paramilitary is the day everyone learns the left has no law enforcement power.

There is a good reason the Canadian Liberals used financial instruments when dealing with the convoy protests and didn't just order the RCMP or police to stert arresting people.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Bruh the police literally did show up in the end and it was a whole fuckin’ thing. It was livestreamed even, you can find video of it. Now, there was a problem with absolute fucking moron leading the Ottawa Police at the time but he was removed shortly afterward.

I’m not saying we gotta start trusting police, but they’ll take most any excuse to go handcuff someone and exert power. They’re kinky like that.

[-] ProIsh@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago
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[-] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 10 months ago

Well I'd certainly hope so.

[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Could, but very unlikely they actually will.

Not many cops are going to go around arresting ICE agents for such things I don't imagine.

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[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

Whatever..no one was sent to jail for Kent State murders.

[-] xc2215x@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

ICE agents deserve it.

[-] mhague@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

What does it mean for cops to arrest paramilitary?

It sounds like it will be many contests: who can shout louder and bring more guns to bear? Who gets confused first, who gets shot first?

It's a bunch of barely trained cops who can hardly handle policing armed citizens and now they're gonna handle ICE? They'll need to be careful and deliberate.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

It's not like the goobers ice is deploying are well trained.

[-] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 7 points 10 months ago

No, and that's so much worse, because ICE is armed and feels like they have the mandate for violence backed by the president.

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