There's a whole school of philosophy that has argued about this for ... Well forever, but especially the last 100 years, the philosophy of mind. The problem is definition: what does it mean to think. Some may argue that it requires consciousness, but then the problem of definition is what the hell is consciousness?

So on the trivial side, yes, of course computers can think, if thoughts are nothing special. Computers have states, they can react to and inspect their own states. Is that thinking? LLMs use something like neural networks modeled after the mind to generate streams of words, and encode knowledge and concepts using statistics. Is that thinking?

On the other side, well no, computers don't think because they don't have souls. Are souls real? Or maybe there's more to human thinking than just neural networks, like quantum effects? Or more complexity due to chemical biology? Is the ability to answer a question the same thing as understanding a concept (see Chinese room experiment)?

These are the questions that philosophers love to masturbate with, publish many papers on, and make no real progress towards. Definitions are funny like that

[–] TheracAriane@thebrainbin.org 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

@lung@lemmy.world that's a nice image, philosophers masturbating 😄😄😄..........

But seriously, l'm amazed at how LLMs respond to my questions.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

The trick behind it, and it is a trick, is that they have been fed billions of pages of text that contains the majority of every sentence ever written and they use math to estimate the most appropriate word-by-word response to the question from all of the other examples of text that they have to work on.

Current LLMs are incapable of creating an original combination of words( in the absolute sense). They don't make anything. They just repeat. They are stochastic parrots.

Sometimes the answer is obvious, assuming that you have all of the relevant information, that you can provide the right answer without thinking at all. And when LLMs are correct, it is because of this phenomenon, and not because they actually thought about the question, and came up with a response.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

@lung@lemmy.world that’s a nice image, philosophers masturbating 😄😄😄…

Diogenes would occasionally do this in public. His contemporaries didn't regard the sight a nice image for some reason unknown.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 12 points 8 months ago

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

I’m starting to think a filter for three question marks in a post or title might be a good idea

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It must be possible, as I somewhat infrequently have to verbally harass my computer into working. It must be a conscious, thinking and feeling being, or else this behavior can not be explained.

[–] TheracAriane@thebrainbin.org 1 points 8 months ago

@drkt@scribe.disroot.org l loved that method. Seriously, l need to master this technique.

[–] irelephant@programming.dev 4 points 8 months ago

This is a place for it related memes. Not questions.

[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim. - Edsger W. Dijkstra

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Right now? No.

We've not designed software that enables that function.

In the future? Maybe.

But first we have to design software that enables that function.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Depends on the scale of measurement. If what some of the users I know are doing does in fact count as "thinking", a brick can think, too.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

If a computer could think it would quickly become insane.

[–] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 months ago

I've come to describe a thought, the contents of a thought, as magic. Now I don't believe in magic, it's a trick. But, I'll describe the creation of a thought as a magic event, there's no rational explanation of why some people have the thoughts they do, the content of a thought is the result of a magic event. Given drugs, thoughts can get absolutely haywire.

I think everybody has had a holy crap what was I thinking moment. Like wild magic.