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Being banned with no accountability (feddit.uk)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Syldon@feddit.uk to c/lemmy_support@lemmy.ml
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I took a 2 month ban from worldnews@lemmy.ml

There was no message to say a ban had been applied. I messaged a mod to say I had trouble posting and asked if there was a ban applied. I got no response.

I eventually spotted there is a modlog, and low and behold it mentions I was banned for 2 months for antisemitism. I have to say I found this appalling.

When I dug further it turns out that I gave a reply to someone asking why the phrase "from the river to the sea" is considered antisemitic. I replied that is considered as referring to the genocide of the Jews in Israel. I gave a newspaper article link that showed a Labour MP who was removed from the party for using the quote.

The comment has been deleted, there was no information given regarding the ban, there is no point of reference to contest the ban. It is crass beyond belief. I am extremely insulted that someone gets to label me antisemitic for something that is very evidently not, and then hide behind an unbreakable barrier.

Edited to remove one sentence. It stated I would leave all Lemmy instances. Context in comments below.

Second edit: I finally got a moderator to respond to this.

from @OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml

You reported antizionism as antisemitism. You did an antisemitism.

Your source to support your claim also relies on antisemitism and the conflating of Jews and Israel.

I guess this is a community to ignore. Thank you for the responses. I will not respond to anymore here.

My response was:

Thank you for your response. Your community your rules. I made a post to try and get my head around this idiocy last night.

I will not use your community again.

EDIT: please update the ban log to reflect this. There is a huge difference between your reasoning and antisemitism.

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[-] Dave 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If this is how Lemmy is ran then I will need to find another community

Lemmy is not ran in any particular way.

That's one community one one instance. On most instances, anyone can create a community and become the god of what is allowed there. That doesn't mean it's representative of the rest of that instance. But even if it is, you can post to other communities on other instances.

There is one mod on one community doing something dodgy (or just got a report about it being antisemitic and assumed they were right - after all, there's no training course for being a lemmy mod). This is certainly not the way "lemmy is ran" and thinking lemmy is run in any particular way is missing the core aspect of what lemmy is.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago

Kind of annoyed right now, but I appreciate reality check and will delete that part.

[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

From the modlog:

Removed Comment https://feddit.uk/comment/4314248
[Because it is a known antisemitic chant to murder all jews from the river Jordan to the sea.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/from-the-river-to-the-sea-where-does-the-slogan-come-from-and-what-does-it-mean-israel-palestine)
by @Syldon@feddit.uk
reason: Antisemitism

Idk seems the opposite to me but maybe I'm dumb

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It is used two different ways. One is the call to murder Jews, the other is a solo effort to be closer to god. I only know this because it is in the UK media of late. The sad part people are using on the pro-Palestinians marches knowing full well it will insight a violent reaction.

EDIT: others are throwing in different meanings in this post. It seems it has many variations. Not being Jewish or Muslim shows I do not have enough of a vested interest to understand all of the context surrounding this.

[-] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago

Context matters.

Most people who use "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" use it as a plea for peace - not violence. But ignorant and hateful politicians just ignore the context as it doesn't fit their narrative.

You probably were banned due to linking the article that had the quote that called for peace in the first line.

“We won’t rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty,” said Andy McDonald, a Labour MP, at a protest in London organised by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

Like I said, peace doesn't fit most people's narrative.

Israel has their own phrase "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" which can have different meanings depending on the context, yet nobody has a problem with that.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

Not really antisemitic though is it?

[-] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

Not to a sane person. But the majority of the western world sees calling for peace as antisemitic.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago

Lol you made a thread about it.

It is antisemitic to equate an antizionist slogan with antisemitism, because equating jewishness with zionist settler colonialism is literally tied with the "jews are foreign agents" nazi bullshit.

It is especially appalling that this is being done in response to an anti-apartheid slogan.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk -1 points 2 years ago

The slogan can be construed that way as I said in my post. It actually has many variations as I am led to believe.

I was giving an answer to a question that some one asked how the slogan was antisemitic. I was not using the slogan myself. In fact in hindsight I don't think I even used the slogan even in the description. The article I linked had it embedded in its title. The article referred to the slogan as a slur and explained why an MP was evicted from the Labour party in the UK.

In response to your PM

@OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml

Lmao no.

Also are you Jewish? Because I had family who literally survived a nazi death camp and I’m telling you, youre being antisemitic as shit. Maybe listen.

Again I did not use the slogan. I gave an explanation to its reference and why it is considered an insult by some.

Since you ask, I am not Jewish or any other religion. I was baptised RC, but now find all religion superstitious nonsense. However, if you want to place all your faith in that superstitious nonsense, then have it. I simply do not care enough to dissuade anyone from it. I do recognise the dangers of religion though. As can be viewed by the actions of Hamas and the IDF in current events.

And that war where your family survived, well my father helped in that. My father took part in the D-day landings and then on into Germany. We still hold the medals in the family to prove it.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I was not using the slogan myself. In fact in hindsight I don’t think I even used the slogan even in the description.

You're still responding to

"It is antisemitic to call an anti-zionist slogan antisemitic"

With

I DIDNT EVEN SAY THE SLOGAN GODDDD

Since you ask, I am not Jewish or any other religion. I was baptised RC, but now find all religion superstitious nonsense. However, if you want to place all your faith in that superstitious nonsense, then have it.

You're not beating the antisemitism allegations. Being Jewish isn't just following a religion.

And that war where your family survived, well my father helped in that. My father took part in the D-day landings and then on into Germany. We still hold the medals in the family to prove it.

Your dad helped the western allies take west Germany and prevent denazification there. Not his fault, but also "you should be grateful my dad helped" is bullshit. The Soviets knew how to treat nazis, the British government treated them with kids gloves.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago

I am actually just getting a grip on your meaning now. It has taken me this long because it is so ridiculous.

You actually think that confusing antisemitic and antizionist statement is worthy of a two month ban. I said it is considered antisemitic because it involves people suggesting killing all Jews between two points in Palestine/Israel that this is a mistake that is worthy of a two month ban.

You sir are a clown.

I wont respond to your baiting over the war comment. My point was that many suffered during the war. Not only Jews which was 6m, 50m others died, many more injured. There is no higher ground on who suffered the most. It is a pathetic stance to take.

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