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[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (16 children)

Copper is actually ~25-250X leas efficient at transferring heat than a heat pipe and convection is hundreds of times more efficient than radiation at transferring heat and the fins on a heat sink would have hundreds of times more surface area for dissipating heat all that is to say this might work but it would be orders of magnitude less efficient than a standard heat sink.

[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Heat pipes are fucking magic and you can't convince me otherwise

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Zink@programming.dev 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

But without this ridiculous heatsink, we never would have gotten the most perfectly nerdy Lemmy post.

And to give it credit, I think this design wins for how much heat you can sink into the heatsink itself before you need somewhere else to put it!

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 33 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Looks nice. Why they don't sell PCs with cooling like that? What are the downsides?

[–] ManaYoodSushai@feddit.org 94 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I would guess that the low surface area would lead to problems. At first it would cool very well because of the huge thermal mass, but once it reaches thermal equilibrium the cooling would be quite weak.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 66 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'd also think moving your PC will rip your CPU right off the motherboard

[–] Hedup@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago

The trick is not to move the PC, but rather the copper block, which just happens to have a PC attached to it.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So, you're saying that putting blocks of copper on everything in a PC will automatically shed unnecessary parts, building a more efficient system?

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just run a solid copper block for maximum efficiency.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] gigachad@piefed.social 13 points 5 months ago

Yes! The only way to increase the surface is to build a higher tower!

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[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 16 points 5 months ago

lead to problems

We're talking about copper, dumdum.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Do you have any idea how expensive a solid block of copper that big is?

[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 40 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If that block is roughly 4.5cm x 4.5cm x 25cm then the volume of it is about 500cm³ which translates to 4.5kg of copper. At 11€/kg that makes about 50 euros.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 months ago

Cheaper than some noctua coolers.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

Would you even notice, after buying the ram and storage?

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 16 points 5 months ago

Yes but you save on manufacturing.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Despite the cost, it's damn heavy.

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[–] SolSerkonos@piefed.social 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Copper isn't that bad. It's not cheap exactly, but it's probably going to cost what an expensive CPU cooler already would.

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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I have a micro ATX case that itself is the cooler. Heatpipes transport the heat to the case walls and they have fins to increase surface area. It can handle up to 65 watt CPUs.

It's not produced anymore. But with all the talk of the Gabecube I've been itching to make a new build with it. Unfortunately I have neither the money or the energy.

[–] SolSerkonos@piefed.social 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fanless cases are a thing, and they're neat.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Weight, cost, and it's probably not effective for the long haul. The mass of a copper ingot like that will work like a heatsink, but it has a very low surface area for the energy it can absorb. So it'll heat up to a point that is uncomfortable for the CPU, then fail to radiate that energy out to the air effectively.

As a test-bench temporary heatsink, this is actually kind of inspired. No fans, to fussy clips, just stack a copper brick on the CPU, run some benchmarks, and then turn it all off.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Incredibly unwieldy. Real quick estimate of volume puts that at around 1.75kg of copper, so it wouldn't be possible to mount in a vertical PC case orientation (ie the majority of consumer PC cases) without significant (expensive) modifications to both the mobo socket mount and the case, else its weight would snap the motherboard, or just slowly flex it until traces failed.

It may not even be able to be used vertically like that for very long or it will compress and damage the CPU / socket / mobo. Just as an example, the weight limit of the thermal solution (HSF/water chamber heatsink/etc) for socket LGA 1700 is 950g.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

Real quick estimate of volume puts that at around 1.75kg of copper

I assume it's at least ~5 cm × 5 cm × 15 cm. Given the mass density of copper, 8.96 g/cm^3 , its mass is at least 3.36 kg.

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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My guess is that will only work until it saturates with heat. Some liquid cooling setups are also like that, where the rad isn't capable of dissipating heat fast enough to prevent the whole thing from overheating, but it'll work fine for a while because the loop itself can absorb a bunch of heat before it stops being able to take any more. Then they probably blame the chip maker for running too hot even with liquid cooling when their liquid cooling setup is actually less effective than the stock cooler or their case has horrible airflow and would choke any size or number of rads. But their reservoir acts as a heat buffer, so it takes 30 mins to even realize that, but they've already concluded it works.

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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 19 points 5 months ago
[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I hear this is what the inside of those flock cameras contain.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

And free meth.

[–] mastod0n@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Am I blind? What's that card in the PCIE slot?

[–] Kayyy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Looks like a PCIE to NVMe. You can see a short M.2 slot on the board, but that drive is wayyyy too big for it

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

This is a lot easier than running a line out to the swimming pool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjO6OLmZB9A

[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Why is the motherboard resting on a towel??

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 33 points 5 months ago

When I work on stuff with tiny parts, it helps to do it on a towel. If you drop something, it tends not to bounce too far, things don't roll as much, etc., and it's easy to see stuff on a white towel.

[–] kensand@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 months ago

They don't want to scratch up their desk with the solder joints on the back of it? I'd normally use cardboard, but a towel probably works too 🤷

Or maybe it just has muddy paws that need toweling off 😜

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[–] fx242@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Why copper? Aluminum works way better as a dissipation surface.

[–] SomeoneSomewhere 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Copper has more mass, heat capacity, and thermal conductivity per litre.

Is aluminium actually more effective as a dissipation surface? I hadn't heard that.

[–] fx242@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Copper is better conductor but it's worse at dissipation. Do the experience yourself, heat a block of each and then touch them afterwards.

[–] SomeoneSomewhere 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Is that not because the copper holds more heat, so stays hot for longer at the same dissipation?

[–] fx242@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Maybe you're right, but I remember than in the 2000s I've had identical cpu heatsinks in both copper/aluminum versions, and the aluminum one had better performance. And then they started to make hybrid ones, stating that the copper part was to allow rapid heat transference and the aluminum parts to improve dissipation. But maybe it was all marketing.

[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Aluminium is significantly cheaper, that's why they make coolers with a copper base and alu fins. It's a good compromise.

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[–] SomeoneSomewhere 5 points 5 months ago

Aluminium is cheaper and lighter.

This seems to suggest that the metal-air transmission is virtually identical between the two, and cites some sources: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/255731/copper-or-aluminum-heatsink

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[–] Gaja0@lemmy.zip 14 points 5 months ago

Technically, copper is better at heat dissipation. Aluminum is prefered because it's cheaper and lighter. For an aluminum heat sink, you could have an smaller equally performing copper heat sink. In fact, this is the case for when weight and cost isn't a priority. Some heatsinks even use a copper core to wick away heat to the rest of the aluminum heat sink.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

From what I have always understood, copper is technically better, but it isn't dramatically better and it is heavier and more expensive. You likely couldn't make a heatsink like the full sized Noctua's and just mount them the way we do because of the weight alone. The price would also likely be double to triple.

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