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[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 208 points 1 month ago

Friendly reminder that, per the fifth amendment, you are not required to disclose your passwords to the authorities under any circumstances. This protection does not apply to biometric authentication, so don't enable those methods.

[-] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's honestly a curiosity in this for me. You dont have to unlock your phone for them but the fact that he was made to even with a duress pass makes me think that this was more than a standard stop.

He absolutely didnt have to unlock it under the law.

He was within his right to wipe it.

But what led him to doing so?

This isnt a defence of the boarder officers. Im just curious what the other side of the story is.

Edit: ah there it is. They suspected him of having csam and by implication being a sex tourist.

Heavy accusations. So they did have some suspicion (or at least claimed to) to justify the search.

[-] sleepydragn1@lemmy.world 117 points 1 month ago

From The Guardian article on the same incident:

The defendant, Sam Tunick, was stopped for interrogation at Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson airport on 24 January last year, after vacationing in the Dominican Republic. Unbeknown to him, federal authorities had put him on a terrorism watchlist because of his alleged association with the movement against Cop City.

[-] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago

Ahhhh

thanks!

Once again fascists cry protecting kids to violate rights.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Every time I hear someone invoking "protect the kids" I know 3 things.

  1. It has nothing to do with protecting kids, they're hiding their intention.
  2. It's probably some outrageous bullshit they absolutely need to hide.
  3. It's probably because they are fucking kids.

Number 3 was added recently because apparently based on the facts we now know... that is MUCH more common with these people than I could even imagine.

[-] EliteCloneMike@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 month ago

That’s why I stopped using Google for anything. Their AI is calling people child abusers left and right. And even after a person is cleared by law enforcement, they will not let that person get their data back. It could be innocent family photos or legal adult content. Haven’t used their services in years after the NYT articles and the several others from other news organizations that followed about their awful practices. They don’t care about correcting false positives only about the perception to share holders that they are fighting child abuse by closing almost a million accounts a year. Same for Meta, who closes many millions of account per year to stop child abuse, while hosting child abuse for advertisers. I didn’t supply links to the articles, but they can be easily found through a StartPage or DuckDuckGo search or which ever search engine you use (hopefully not Google).

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[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

Since they just let him walk after the phone wiped itself, they clearly didn't actually believe he was a risk of any kind. If there was any actual reason for suspicion they would/should have detained him outright.

[-] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago

He was put on a terrorist watchlist because he didnt want his tax dollars funding a cop city. Thats reason enough for the judge to throw this out.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There are some of us that know these things happen and take steps to protect our rights and personal data.

Most all of us here have multiple methods employed to avoid being tracked online via browser plugins or whatever. Some of us take it a step further and lock our phones should an encounter with LEOs be a possibility, and he had a wipe command to go even further.

These days the US is closer to a lot of fascist authoritarian states, and it’s probably only a short time before they throw people in jail for whatever manufactured reason because they wipe a phone before the Gestapo can pry into it and charge us with the crime of being un-American or some shit because we posted a meme mocking trump.

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago

Yep.

Biometrics are SUPER unsafe, and insecure, because you can be physically forced to put your finger on a sensor, or to stand still for them to hold a phone infront of your face for faceid. I've literally seen videos of cops holding a guy in a choke hold whole another cop unlocks his phone with his face.

but they can't physically manhandle you into typing in a password.

[-] glitch1985@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

We aren't quite to the torture for password stage yet.

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[-] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

If you have iOS you can disable it quickly by spamming the power button (button on right hand side of screen) 5 times.

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[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 176 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

SECURE IN YOUR PERSONAL EFFECTS AND DOCUMENTS

-Bill of Suggestions

[-] dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"except within 100 miles of the border where you have no rights at all, because that's convenient for me so I made it the fuck up"

--SCOTUS, defender of FREEDOM

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[-] Rusticus@lemmy.world 115 points 1 month ago
[-] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 59 points 1 month ago

It's not. Authoritarians want it to be.

I was kind of flabbergasted when a police office interviewed in this video just straight up said you have a right to privacy in your home, but as soon as you step out, gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3MQLlMbS-Y

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[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Guy was innocent until they had proof of a crime. They didnt have any proof so boohoo for them. And they charged him of damaging property. Its his property, and its not damaged.

[-] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 month ago

The intent of the law was to have something to charge corporate fraudsters with if they destroyed the accounting records with proof of their fraud when served a warrant. Or illegal drug manufacturers destroying their chemlab. Ownership of the property doesn't come into it.

The envisioned cases were always domestic crime investigations where there was already enough evidence to get a warrant. The application at customs where they don't need a warrant is the novelty, and I really hope the government loses its case.

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[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 month ago

Unless he was subpoenaed is this a crime?

[-] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 102 points 1 month ago

The laws are now made up when needed and justice doesn't matter. So, yes. Anything the authorities don't like is a crime in a fascist regime.

[-] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Kinda wild that most Americans are just going about their day while this is going on all around them.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago

They too busy getting by day by day, as designed by the billionaire-run system. Commuting back and forth possibly up to an hour each way, getting paid a fraction of what they should be, unable to afford a mortgage, little to savings, probably working paycheck to paycheck. Reliant on work for their insurance coverage for chronic issues that would otherwise cost tens of thousands of dollars because the medical system inflates all costs to justify its existence on paper. No time to research issues, reliant on things like an hour of TV news to inform them. And those are owned by the billionaires as well, pushing their propaganda and ignoring the real issues.

There are a lot of smaller independent things keeping people busy and stuck. While they almost all come back to the billionaires and end-stage capitalism, the propaganda from them is nearly inescapable for the average person.

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[-] jontree255@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago

“Wiping your phone before an illegal search is now left wing terrorism”

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[-] bitteroldcoot@piefed.social 62 points 1 month ago

a duress password?
What a neat idea.

I wonder if i can set that up on my iphone.

[-] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 month ago

I believe it's only currently possible on Android. There's Graphene's built-in solution which uses a pin or password, and then there's other android apps that can trigger the wipe if you get a text message with the code.

[-] lemmyng@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Reason n+1 to switch to GrapheneOS

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[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago

Good don't give those fascist fucks anything.

[-] CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago

Good. We all need to set this up. Fuck ICE and TSA.

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

It exists for a reason, they couldn’t have shown better why if they’d been paid to film a commercial.

[-] phoenixarise@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

Even if he did, so what? His phone, his property, his business. He should be able to do what he wants.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Everyone is cheering but the case was not thrown out yet. For now we just know this is technically possible which we knew already. Now we will find out if you can do this and not go to jail. I will cheer when this guy walks free.

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[-] ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

And....? There's nothing illegal about wiping your phone if not already under indictment of something

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

He wasn't being charged with anything at the time.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

Prosecutors later charged Tunick under a federal statute that makes it unlawful to knowingly destroy or damage property to prevent authorities from seizing it. Tunick has pleaded not guilty.

Security experts also said they had not seen charges brought in this way before.

“With a little planning ahead of time, you can always download the data you need once you get to where you’re going,” said Sandvik.

Zip it with a password. Upload it a couple of places, download it when you get home. Simple as. Anyone can do it.

[-] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 month ago

Anyone can do it.

Are you sure? My mom can't tell the difference between posting on Facebook and doing a Google search.

[-] SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago

This site has an insane amount of people who don't understand how inept the average person is at using technology.

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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

The thing is, data isn't just property. It is also speech. The right to remain silent is so fundamental to the legal system that a whole case can be thrown out if you are not reminded of this right while being arrested.

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[-] GutterRat42@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

My password is the text of the 4th Amendment. I don't unlock my phone often.

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[-] Shortstack@reddthat.com 24 points 1 month ago

If border patrol claims they don’t need a warrant because he’s not in the US yet, then how does border patrol have jurisdiction?

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[-] Kintarian@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I like this guy. Oh, you wanna see my phone? Fine, here ya go asshole.

[-] tigermountain@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

What a great idea. If I was able to I'd create a free Android and iOS app that did this exact same thing.

[-] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago

GrapheneOS has this feature. Also ripple

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

And the article mentions that it actually was GrapheneOS on his phone.

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[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 17 points 1 month ago

Set your phone to require a pin or passcode at startup then reboot your phone before going through the checkpoint.

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