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Someone (average smartphone user) complained to me the other day that there isn't a clear solution to navigating the web because it's either ai slop or the results are poor.

And I kinda agree, nowadays you do have to put in some more effort to get what you're looking for.

And so I told them I'd compile a list of which search engines are best for what purpose.

So far I have:

Startpage: works, but does a poor job of finding product codes and whatnot.

Duckduckgo: gives more general results afaik

Ecosia: works great but relies on bing

I have tried things like qwant ect but haven't really settled on those.

Any other suggestions?

I'd tell em to use udm14 but it's still google so I'd rather keep that as a plan B.

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[–] zer0bitz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Selfhosted SearXNG for everything.

[–] SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Well, at risk of downvotes...

I know what your asking but tbh I generally don't search, at least not like we used to. It's weird to say that, like I'm making some claim to heightened purity or some bullshit but it's not that at all. Search is just ... noisy AF these days.

I actually find myself using fewer sources, more directly and own my terms.

Eg: For something like PubMed, I go to pubmed (or define a proper boolean PICO search in an indexing tool). Sci-hub is a good source too.

https://sci-hub.st/

Or I can hit the wikipedia API (or even better, self hosted kiwix) and find what I need.

https://kiwix.org/en/

Or, for known, commonly visited sites (like fan wikis), I use self-written tools.

There are plenty of sites have public facing, nicely formatted, JSON friendly results. Others are just clean to scrape. A recent discovery was Muvitimes (for getting movie times listings).

https://muvitimes.com/

These tools query my white listed sites to a particular depth, collect the results I need, and present them for review.

You can then cache the info locally to query against using something like Meilisearch.

https://github.com/meilisearch/meilisearch

There are other options too. Something like Scrapy can collect structured data and a Trafilatura-like extractor can remove menus, adverts, and repeated page content.

https://github.com/scrapy/scrapy

I've even use something like self hosted Perplexica. It can query SearXNG, Tavily, Exa or other sources.

https://github.com/kiranz/perplexica

Honestly, if it's a quick throw away search, I'll call my self hosted llm, get it to pull from Tavilly and give me the summary and citations. That's been miles better than most other options for me but YMMV.

Finally, if you're talking about random occasional searches on phone, when I can't access my LAN, I don't mind DDG-lite

https://lite.duckduckgo.com/lite

[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago

google for porn. brave-search for everything else

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] myszka@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago

I hate that it sounds the same as Italian "caghi" meaning "you shit"

[–] uuj8za@piefed.social 4 points 5 hours ago

I use Kagi for personal devices. I wish there was an open source alternative, but there's not. So I'm stuck.

For work or other devices, I use Qwant.

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 hours ago

https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ is a decent way of avoiding some ai generated junk.

[–] ShutUpWesley@piefed.zip 5 points 6 hours ago

DDG is my goto, I always have a SearXNG instance, but it's relatively slow and runs into problems too frequently to be my goto

[–] kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

qwant for basically everything, tineye for reverse image search and google for that 1 out of 100 searches that i cant get an adequate qwant search of

[–] Imnebuddy@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I use marginalia search and wiby to find "small web" content. Good for finding more human created resources deeply buried in most search indexes.

[–] stellargmite@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Kagi. Not cheap but I seriously cant go back. Its really good for what I need - actual results at the top of the first page, based purely on what I searched for. What a concept. My needs are basic to be clear.

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 14 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I love how it allows me to move domains up or down. This allows me to have wikipedia results at the very top and have all X, FB, MS domains blocked from appearing in the results.

[–] stellargmite@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago
[–] graynk@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I pay for Kagi. The results are good oob and you can downrank/ban websites.

[–] Ghoelian@piefed.social 8 points 6 hours ago

Same here. It's great easily being able to block those shitty github/stackoverflow scrapers like codegrepper, answeroverflow etc.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

and you can downrank/ban websites.

Holy shit, I've been wanting that for years. I'll have to check them out.

Edit: Aaaand they have a built in AI despite calling themselves "human-focussed". That's a turnoff. If I'm paying for a search engine, I'd prefer to have a subscription option with the AI stripped out so I'm not subsidizing it for others.

Plus, I'm thinking about it I'm not exactly on board with needing an account with a search engine. That makes it super easy to track you. Meanwhile, using noai.duckduckgo anonymously via a VPN is way more private

[–] graynk@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I’m not exactly on board with needing an account with a search engine. That makes it super easy to track you.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

they have a built in AI despite calling themselves “human-focussed”

Because it's a tool that can serve humans. Not strictly search-related, but their AI-based translation tool is genuinely great and very useful to me.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/ai-philosophy.html

You don't have to use built-in AI, it only triggers when you explicitly ask for it and you can completely disable it in the settings.

They also have anti-slop filters, BTW: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/slopstop.html

Finally, not sure what models the search summarizer and the translation tool use, but the assistant lets you use open weights model like Kimi, GLM, DeepSeek et al.

[–] ApplyingAutomation@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

In my experience, Kagi doesn't force AI down your throat. It only triggers an AI summary if you end your query with a "?", and it does seem to be summarization of the search results.

Also, as per Kagi's pricing page, there is a higher tier for people who want more AI features as you are suggesting.

All that being said, I use a Searxng instance 😅

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Yandex for reverse image search or piracy content

The noai DDG for everything else.

Unfortunately I have notice for the last couple of months that some simple things I can't just find the answer and the shit AI suggestion baked in the google search is giving me better results and I don't think that is the AI that got better.

[–] adonkeystomple@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

I use Brave Search all the time and like it a lot.

[–] eremophila@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 hours ago

I switched to noai.duckduckgo when startpage went ai. It is a lot better than when I tried duckduckgo in previous years, and definitely better than startpage was. I haven't noticed any issues with search returns.

[–] spy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 12 hours ago

Duckduckgo for everything.

At first, after the switch years ago, I'd occasionally fallback to Google to search for solutions or explanations of technical errors but I guess Duckduckgo got better and/or Google got worse and I no longer use any other.

A few days ago I tried Qwant briefly with the idea to try to change to non-US services, don't remember what for, and was not satisfied with the results. I did not try it for long enough to say it's not a good choice though.

[–] Matt@lemdro.id 3 points 8 hours ago

I have been using Brave Search for a couple of years and have been very satisfied with the results. It uses its own index instead of relying on Bing or Google like most search engines. The summaries are also one of the few cases that I have found AI to be useful for some more obscure questions.

The image results are very poor though, so I still use DuckDuckGo for that.

[–] minty@aussie.zone 13 points 11 hours ago

noai duckduck go

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 hours ago

Self hosting searxng: https://docs.searxng.org/ I use it for everything. It finds results from multiple search engines, and lists every engine name at the bottom of each link to see where this "recommendation" comes from. You can configure which "engines" it should search. So I use it as my default for everything. The results aren't always the best and there are times when I then open other search engines directly to see if its any better. But admitteley it is only hosted on my main PC. Currently I cannot access it from other computers, but that is something I plan todo in the future.

If you use Archlinux, then its quite easy as there is a package that always builds from source. Look at my instructions here: https://lemmy.ml/post/45955322

If self hosting isn't your thing, then you can just use an instance from someone else who made it available in the public: https://searx.space/ It's also a good way to see how it works before committing to self hosting, if you plan to.

[–] karashta@sopuli.xyz 8 points 11 hours ago

I use qwant mostly

[–] AnAnonymousApe@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Kagi. Once you try it you'll never go back.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I never understood the hype about it. I tried it for a while then my trial expired. I cannot say I miss it. It was okay, nothing that blew my mind

[–] ghodawalaaman@programming.dev 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

same here, never found anything on kagi which I cannot using any other search engine.

[–] Steve@communick.news 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

If you only searched without exploring its various options and features, that makes sense. When you start blocking, boosting, and pinning domains; start exploring lenses and everything, it's benefits become obvious.

[–] WizardJr@lemmy.today 2 points 5 hours ago

That was exactly what I did, but I still found the quality of its searches ultimately no better than a standard Google search with a basic ad blocker purging the sponsors and AI summaries. Not worth half its price, especially when the guy getting the money is as nutty as he is.

[–] JWTB@lemmy.today 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Ecosia

Works very well for everyday stuff, been using it for almost 2 years now, though it does take a bit to get used to it because it gives you slightly different results for the same search queries

It's not worse, it just interprets your queries slightly differently

The only time it consistently fails and I switch to google is when I need to look up something via popular references, typically text on memes, for which Ecosia instead tends to return serious/factual results instead of the funny I was looking for

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 hours ago

Oh, I actually like that Ecosia gives serious/factual results, less meme or brainrot stuff.

[–] sidebro@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago

I wish Ecosia started rolling out EUSP in more countries, currently it's only available in France.

[–] B0NK3RS@lazysoci.al 3 points 9 hours ago

I use Qwant as my daily mostly because it's European and I can turn of AI.

[–] Joker_1902@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago

I was using Brave search for a couple of years for everything and sometimes i was switching to duckduckgo if i couldn’t find what i needed but this was rare. Now i self host SearXNG but this is not an option for an avg user. Brave search is an independent engine and privacy focused.

[–] mik3dd0@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I selfhost searxng ¯\(ツ)

[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 4 points 11 hours ago

I totally would but I have yet to find the time to invest on self hosting stuff in general.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 10 hours ago

Someone posted this neosearch thing recently that I've enjoyed :

https://neosearch.org/

[–] SaneMartigan@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I still use udm14. I've got most of the searches listed installed in my firefox and I jump between them a lot.

[–] DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

Selfhosted SearXNG or ddg noai / startpage when i get rate limited

[–] LeapSecond@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago

DDG for everything but especially searches in other countries (using the country toggle).

Google for images and super localized results.

Yandex for reverse image search (yes really).

[–] sushiatnight@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I use duckduckgo because I'm basic.

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 1 points 9 hours ago

Same but the one without the hallucinating "assistant."

[–] Today@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

I'm not a tech person. I use duck duck go or i use Google through ten blue links to remove the AI results.