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[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 29 points 1 week ago

We've been trying to do stuff like that for a long time, e.g., the impact of smartphones. My understanding though is that such changes are so widespread it's really hard to have a meaningful control group in the same cohort etc.

[–] luthis 25 points 1 week ago

Explain how that increases shareholder value?

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

See Goodhart's law: “When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure”.

If LLMs are judged by some specific metric meant to track their negative impact, they’ll adapt to make the metric look good without improving the underlying impact.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Great example of Goodhart:

I used to work at a Verizon store, and we were rated by the amount of accessories we could sell with each phone. In order to boost that number, everyone tried to add on a bunch of cheap phone accessories (clearance items and screen protectors) to drive that number up.

Our goal was more than three, but once we figured out how to sell 5 or more for less than $20, they changed it to total cost of accessories per phone.

[–] DougPiranha42@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s too late to record a baseline, so any metrics will need to work retrospectively anyway.

[–] expr@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

There's still a bunch of us that refuse to use it.

[–] Commuting4375@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

There are a lot of things we should urgently do for our own good. So no, we're not going to

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Last I heard we don't even know how to measure that in the first place. As my intro to psychology class said IQ tests are a reliable measure, but what they measure nobody knows. (which is to say if you take the test more than once you will score about the same every time)

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 1 week ago

We have better idea now about what it measures. For example about 35% of differences in IQ scores are associated with working memory capacity. And we have very specific tests to measure working memory. There are more very specific parameters that are correlated with IQ that we can measure. We know quite well what IQ actually is but it's a mix of many different things and not a simple parameter indicating who's smart and who's not.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The word I've heard for “reliable” is precise.

If a test meaures what it's supposed to measure, it's accurate.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

I took the class 30 years ago so my memory of exactly words were used is untellable. The point is memorable and I believe is correct.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

We should but ive been tracking people I know who are addicted to it and I saw a mental decline instantly. It doesn't take a lot of experimenting to show it makes you an idiot, not using your brain will do that.

I'll be the old man yelling at cloud who refuses to use it while the rest of the world straps on bezos vision for 79.95 a month to go to work typing prompts.

[–] gon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

I don't think that's a very compelling investment thesis.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

If you want to measure seriously, you shouldn't jump to interpretations early.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Maybe in the past when science was still a thing. It's all money and power now.

[–] ratjefe@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

don't worry, it'll let us know how dumb we've become

[–] bangupjobasusual@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

How would they avoid the brain damage enough to understand it?