Dr Fauci made mistakes. But his persecution is a travesty (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 59 points 2 weeks ago

I don't like anyone even calling it a mistake. He made decisions based on the information he had and then tried his best to save the world. Dookie Don and his people said we didn't even have a pandemic and that it would be over in weeks. DD didn't even care if people died. This is putting the focus on the wrong person and writing articles that help do that are also a travesty.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

He didn't make any mistakes. What he predicted came true and he always gave his opinion on the best evidence at the time.

I cannot believe people are pushing this bullshit if we didn't live through all of this just a few years ago.

Fauci was saving lives, while Trump, Rogan and the rest of the right wing grifters were telling people to inject bleach into their assholes....

https://youtu.be/wWxqBaWt5uY

[-] kljafgg9r0@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

He lied about wearing masks and told people not to wear them, directly leading to thousands of more deaths and cases. What are you smoking?

[-] pastaq@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Lied is doing a lot of dishonest work here.

There were mask shortages and they wanted to ensure the front line medical staff around the country had masks first
When he said that we didn't yet know about asymptomatic transmission.
There wasn't any data yet on how the virus spread.
There wasn't data on if homemade cloth masks would be effective.
He reversed this stance a month later when the data supported the guidance.

This is the kind of bullshit peddling that causes people to mistrust science. He made a decision based on the best evidence at the time, and then continued to update that stance as new information came in. What you're doing is exactly the kind of post-mortum FUD that the person you replied to was talking about.

[-] kljafgg9r0@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

There were mask shortages and they wanted to ensure the front line medical staff around the country had masks first

Okay, so you already admit he HE LIED. And it's a ridiculous reason anyway, hospitals don't get masks at the grocery store, they have their own suppliers. He could have even told people to wear cloth masks!

Japan and a bunch of other countries were already masking up. It's so basic anyone who graduated high school biology could tell you this was an airborn disease and that masks would help.

He reversed this stance a month later when the data supported the guidance.

No he didn't, there was no 'data' to support the guidance. China, SK, and Japan and more were already masking up.

Your first sentence also contradicts this-you said "There were mask shortages and they wanted to ensure the front line medical staff around the country had masks first" There it is, he knew masks were working, and he told people not to wear masks. Not because of 'new data' but because he wanted to prevent mask shortages, which didn't work anyway and helped the disease rapidly spread because people were told not to mask.

God you people are so pathetic defending this misinformation that literally killed thousands of people.

[-] pastaq@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Okay, so you already admit he HE LIED. And it's a ridiculous reason anyway, hospitals don't get masks at the grocery store, they have their own suppliers. He could have even told people to wear cloth masks!

There absolutely were mask shortages. Full stop. You are the one lying.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7129293/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/why-were-running-out-of-masks-in-the-coronavirus-crisis/609757/

They then told people to make masks at home and leave the N95 for healthcare workers.

https://www.healthline.com/health/how-to-make-a-mask-out-of-fabric

https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-events/diy-face-masks-during-covid-19

Your first sentence also contradicts this-you said "There were mask shortages and they wanted to ensure the front line medical staff around the country had masks first" There it is, he knew masks were working, and he told people not to wear masks. Not because of 'new data' but because he wanted to prevent mask shortages, which didn't work anyway and helped the disease rapidly spread because people were told not to mask.

Convenient of you to leave out the part about ASYMPTOMATIC TRANSMISSION that I mentioned, which they didn't know yet. Masks for symptomatic people and people caring for the sick were always recommended.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-07-27/timeline-cdc-mask-guidance-during-covid-19-pandemic

All of these articles were posted during COVID. You're full of shit. Stop spreading lies.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What mistakes? "Serving" the American public for decades only to be put out to pasture?

[+] Abyssian@lemmy.world -13 points 2 weeks ago

Fauci was running NIH when it started paying WIV to do research on bat corona viruses. Right next door to where a bat conona virus first infected someone. That was his job. There wasn't anything awful about that. And Obama was President at the time. Again, neither of them did anything wrong. Obama was Presidenting and Fauci was overseeing health related sciencing.

It's still surreal to me to see people thinking that that virus that was right there being studied as it relates to human infection having a small leak and infection getting out is somehow less likely than a random bat somewhere biting a random other animal of some other species we don't know, then someone buying that from the market with beside the lab and the disease jumping to us. When in all the years since it's never happened again with any other animal, we still can't say what species it might have been, etc.

I definitely believe it was the same line of viruses we know were being studied right there as they relate to human health that caused Corona. Fauci might have been part of covering that connection up. But when that leak happened, Trump was President. Between the two of them I'd put the odds that lying and covering the US being the cause of a massive global disaster being Fauci's decision at around 0%.

The Republicans screaming crazily at him was probably trying to put him under tons of pressure on camera trying to get him to slip up and say something confirming the lab leak so they could twist into huge posters saying Fauci signed off on the research funding under Obama so it's Obama's fault and Democrats caused Covid. Even the Maga faithfools are starting to realize things are only getting worse in the country, but they're still dumb and gullible so it would get Trump's flock back in line and maybe sway some other idiots just in time for the midterms.

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 13 points 2 weeks ago

Somehow this narrative makes more sense to you than the truth: that they were studying a virus's potential gain of function, found it might gain enough to fuck humanity up, and then the virus in the wild did just that. Cue shocked pikachu face. But yeah sure, it just had to come from the lab. It's not like they were studying a real virus that was already in the wild and posed enough threat to warrant the study.

[+] Abyssian@lemmy.world -9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We have a lab studying bat corona viruses and their effects and transmissibility in humans. This line of viruses was brought from roughly 1,000 miles away. That same virus line somehow infects a human right outside the lab.

On the one hand we have the obvious answer, that it's the same virus we knew about already being right there in that place at that time.

On the other hand we have a theory where somewhere over the 1,000 miles between Wuhan and the virus known origin an infected bat bit some other sort of animal, and that animal just happened to be taken to a meat market right beside the lab studying the same virus line from so far away, and then a person ate that animal and that's how humans started to become infected. In all the years from then until now despite many millions of deaths world wide we've never been able to say where the diseased bat came into contact with the other animal or even what species the other animal belonged to. There has also never been another incident. All animals studied from the market have been free of that disease and all similar to it.

Occam's Razor.

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

Occam’s Razor.

That means the opposite of the way you're using it here. Your convoluted conspiracy theory doesn't pass the real world sniff test. It's a narrative and I don't buy it.

[+] Abyssian@lemmy.world -8 points 2 weeks ago

You think the single sentence option of "We already know it was in the lab, it got out" is a convoluted conspiracy theory, and the paragraph of "we don't know" is reasonable? o_O

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

It's the whole "it got out" part you're glossing over there, chief. That's the complicated part for which no evidence has been provided other than the circumstantial.

[-] Abyssian@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not sure what the mass of downvotes and weirdness about this is. You're acting like like I'm talking crazy and unrealistic. Lab leaks happen. Part of the reason similar research wasn't done in the US for years was because we had several of them here.

It's a thing with two theories on how it happened. One is relatively simple and direct, the other has a lot of question marks over a large amount of distance. Neither of them are things with any sort of publicly released conclusive evidence.

I have no idea why so many of you seem so emotionally attached to the certainty that a bat somewhere very far from that lab bit something? and pure chance happened to bring that something right to the lab's doorstep and also by chance several researchers in that lab were some of the early people to fall ill. It seems like virtue signaling. Did I miss a memo that the actually more convoluted thing was somehow the thing that the just and virtuous must believe and all who understand how common lab leaks are must be seen as crazy and evil?

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Did I miss a memo that the actually more convoluted thing was somehow the thing that the just and virtuous must believe and all who understand how common lab leaks are must be seen as crazy and evil?

Jfc this is a twisted worldview. I can't imagine how you got there, but it's pretty clear you're not taking anything I say seriously at all because you keep repeating the same shit and now this nonsense. Have a nice day - on someone else's time.

[-] Abyssian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Take some time reading research papers on the possible suspected origins of Covid-19. You very clearly haven't. The mass of downvotes I'm getting for simply saying the simplest theory is most likely the correct one without a single person being able to actually provide any logical reason for those downvotes screams of groupthink. People downvoting a thing because they believe it's a sign of a scary Republican or someone not believing the accepted thing.

There is absolutely nothing about the natural origin theory that has been proven. The only thing twisted here is the mass insanity of people who can't point to any actual good reason they're so adamantly defending it and seeing anyone who doesn't as being twisted and stupid. You even accused me of misusing Occam's Razor when it very definitely points straight at a simple, common lab leak.

If you can't respond with actual evidence to back up the way you've been acting, then there is no reason to respond. If you can't show that lab leaks aren't common and many things show one wouldn't have been possible here, you're screaming at a stranger on the internet and treating them like shit for no actual reason. It's been baffling and unhinged from the start, because that's what you've been doing.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Jon Stewart agrees with you and I almost do too, but without evidence we won't know if it's that as the most likely option or not. I could see China lying about it, but we can't know.

[-] Abyssian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Thank you. It seems like just saying the words lab leak here makes folks start picking up pitchforks because it's something they've heard Republicans have said.

I'm starting to feel like if the United States Republican party made an official statement endorsing string theory and specifically M-theory that within a few hours the people on Lemmy would start attacking theoretical physicists and accusing them of pushing fascist narratives.

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 32 points 2 weeks ago

So, is lemmy.today some kind of maga flavored lemmy? Y'all seem to post trash that gives way more credence to right wing lies than they deserve. Article says Fauci made mistakes but has none to mention, only the accusations made by the most crooked administration in the history of the US. Get outta here with this shit. Blocked.

[-] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

User Sanitation mass reposts from Reddit

2800+ posts, 280 comments. They aren't here for conversation

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

from Reddit

Oh, so definitely pro-nazi.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

We have to know what they are up to.

[-] Kay_dee1978@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

"Dr. Fauci made mistakes"

-Article does not list any mistakes

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Ugh, I hate the framing on this. Mistakes? Even if true, so fucking what? Why that framing?

The truth of the matter is that the deeply radicalized are insane and broken people and will stop at nothing to punish people like Fauci because they have so much butthurt about the pandemic.

The fact that there is a fucking "movement" of people and dating apps for people calling themselves "purebloods" who were unvaccinated for Covid should tell you just how insane these people really are.

[-] _chris@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

This is an another distraction in a long line of distractions from the fact that we’re rapidly running into more and more heath issues with our food, rising oil prices, and yet another endless war being negotiated by the playground bully.

[-] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Americans: jailing health officials; setting murderers and pedophiles free.

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