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    [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

    You don't have to touch the terminal. You just really, really should.

    [–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

    I'd like to meet a Linux user who's never had to touch the terminal.

    [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    the issue with the terminal is that you can easily fuck up really badly if you don't know what you're doing.

    the following look the same to a new user:

    rcifconfig -r 0 -f puny -l all

    rctrl -r all -i root -f

    (both are imaginary made-up comments sothat you cannot just say "oh well obviously one does this and the other one does that)

    then one goes on to nuke your home directory while the other one restarts the wifi adapter.

    (and this can actually happen in practice. consider all the "always remove the french language pack" jokes that has been going around for years.)


    for graphical user interfaces, you typically have icons to help you give a sense of what it's doing, typically warning signs before you do anything dangerous, etc.

    [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    I've heard the jokes about rm -rf /. I've never met anybody who's taken it seriously and nuked their system.

    That command is legendary. It's one of the first bits of computer lore I ever learned, about 10 years before I ever touched Linux. In fact, at that time I knew two things about Linux: it's a free OS and don't do rm -rf /.

    Of course you should do some research first, so that you're sure that you know what a command does, but if you're getting it from a forum like Stack Overflow or even reddit, you can be reasonably sure that if the commenter was trying to destroy your computer they'd get downvoted and one of the other commenters would warn you about it. Don't treat Linux like it's some kind of minefield that you have to tiptoe around. It isn't conducive to learning.

    [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    I think the real issue with the modern terminal, and Linux in general, is that we are using tools designed for programmers and system admins, who are expected to know exactly what they are doing, to build and run servers and treating them like they are end user tools. My grandmother was perfectly happy using a terminal for the only computer she owned because the tools it provided were simple and had those built in protections in a way that bash never will be.

    [–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Terminal gang!

    It does everything you need with ONE exception I've found: if you use it for your file manager (I do) and you find that you need to quickly select a few items based on image preview, it is not great. Now you can solve this with vifm or something, or just launch dolphin or something every once in awhile.

    [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I use the terminal for terminal shit. File manager is not terminal shit (for me).

    I usually open the terminal in my WM, then decide what I'm going to do. Force of habit

    [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Have you used a terminal file manager with image preview like yazi? Or just a thumbnail viewer like lsix?

    [–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I didn't know a thumbnail viewer existed, I will have to try. Historically I have used sxiv in tabbed mode and just tried to remember filenames which is obnoxious.

    Oof, yeah that’s hard. yazi is a full tui file manager that can do image and other file previews, so you can flip through a directory, mark the files you want to move/delete/whatever, then hit the command to do it. lsix is basically ls for images, it generates and displays thumbnails for each file. Or can just do it from emacs.

    [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

    The middle peak of Linux users is definitely not using GUI only workflows lmao

    [–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

    Meanwhile many open source GUI apps are better or at least on par with their proprietary counterpart, but you can't flex with them onto noobs.

    [–] OnyxRex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    It's not a blank screen. It's a canvas. You just don't know how to paint.

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    [–] inari@piefed.zip 95 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    I feel like the meme got it backwards. People fussing over WMs in the middle, while newbies and veterans just using whatever comes by default on Fedora

    [–] roundabout@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

    Too often I see desktops where the only two graphical apps are some ultralight terminal and Mozilla. Why do they want to suffer?

    [–] mamg22@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Honestly yes. A few years ago when I was still getting into linux I'd customize the shit out of everything, wm with lengthy configuration, mostly terminal apps, "minimal" ui with custom made themes, and all that.

    My current fedora system is almost default Sway with a few convienent shortcuts and a few tweaks, using GUIs where it makes sense or simply because I just want something nice. I just don't have time or the need for something so customized. Defaults are good.

    Heck, I'm even considering switching to Plasma once I get a better PC (gonna need to sell a kidney or two for that to happen tho), since default Sway still requires considerable tweaking and there's a few quirks I just don't want to deal with.

    [–] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I started on xfce because people said it was good for old systems. Turns out plasma runs fine on everything I've tried from the last 15 years!

    [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

    Yeah, KDE is "bloated", but all that means is that there's some stuff bundled that purists aren't interested in. It doesn't seem to affect the speed at all.

    [–] mamg22@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I've heard so too. Might be worth giving Plasma a shot on my current shitbox of a laptop to see if it can handle it. Though that thing (about 6 years old, btw) chokes on anything that involves graphics, so I don't have any high hopes

    [–] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago
    [–] Damage@feddit.it 19 points 2 days ago (8 children)

    What comes default on fedora KDE spin

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    [–] sepi@piefed.social 25 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I don't wear hats cos am busy using debian

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    [–] Nyadia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Me, not being a programmer or sysadmin or whatever, booting into TTY just for shits and giggles, playing videos via mpv with -vo=tct just cause I think it looks funny

    [–] Hugh@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    my poor cpu. You don't even need to use -vo=tct as mpv will draw to the frame buffer if x server is not available. There's also fbi and fbpdf for displaying images and pdfs to the frame buffer

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    [–] m3t00@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

    read the rfc. 'claude, what does the rfc say?' the what?

    [–] DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    I think it’s just been stigmatized by society as a whole for some mysterious reason. Didn’t a lot of our grandmothers slashed through terminals like fruit ninjas back in the day?

    [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

    It was stigmatized by Windows, because the Windows terminal was terminally shitty. People swear to me that their new terminal is awesome, but I have my doubts. Microsoft seems to have a problem with making stuff that doesn't suck.

    [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago

    Heck yeah they did! I remember going over to my grandmothers house to use Word on her computer running DOS. She used that computer to keep her personal budget, do the accounting for her office supply business, write letters, and the newsletters for her church and social clubs. No gui, just a command line and some things that we would now call a TUI.

    Look I just switched over from Windows, I'm new to this shit lol. I enjoy using commands while I'm learning them but mostly I just copy/paste from instruction manuals on how to install shit I want installed. Makes me feel like a master hacker.

    [–] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    GUI has the fundamental advantage that you can mostly find your way around without having to know commands, syntax, file paths etc. That's a huge advantage for the vast majority of users.

    plus: most people learn graphically (visually) much easier than text-based. at least for me, it's much easier to build an intuition of something if i get a graphical display of the contents in a directory. that's why i always ls -alh every new directory that i enter, before i do anything else. for many people, it's better to use GUI file explorer because you also get image previews etc. but the same concept also applies to other issues:

    like, if you want to configure various hardware on your machine, you open the settings app and get many icons that you can click on. meanwhile, on the terminal, there's no clear list of things that you can even configure.

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    [–] mhague@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    GUI is simpler because you have to remember a sequence of steps for every action you want to take and then memorize a bunch of keyboard shortcuts and then do it all again when they reinvent their product in two weeks.

    CLI requires you to learn how your system is structured and where things are located and then you create scripts that last years. Not everyone wants to put in a bunch of effort just to use their computer.

    Anyways Firefox just updated and they moved "save to collection" and a few other things so now I need to relearn some stuff. I hope my other apps don't reinvent themselves anytime soon. Every update I know how to use them less and less.

    [–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    A regular user will never in a million years create a script.

    I think that depends how you define "regular user".

    (I assume this is like regulars in a "well regulated militia" right?)

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    [–] gooballer@lemmy.today 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Not all terminals are black!!

    [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 35 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I would say we should burn the light-mode heritics, but they've already done it to their own eyes.

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    [–] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 days ago (9 children)

    Fuck Linux

    All my homies use FreeDOS

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