Arguing over an implementation detail in order to not have to go down as being against ICE. Sneaky centrist dems.
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I think the title means Democrats and DINOs disagree
That’s because they’re not even controlled opposition, they’re in bed with the same donors.
I remember America before ICE, it was nice.
Before 2003?
Has Germany tried reforming the SS after WW2?
If you're not ready to call the place they're sending these folks concentration camps, you don't have my vote.
If you don't want to abolish concentration camps, you don't have my vote.
You'd need some kind of org that does what ICE is allegedly supposed to be doing, but at this point, you probably have to burn it to the ground and start over to achieve that.
For starters, it would have to be something that is absolutely beholden to local interests, whether they are the city, state, county, etc...not some unchained federal agency that can go buck-wild on areas that did not vote in sufficient enough numbers for whoever is currently in office.
Yeah, their budget is now 90% secret police activities, and only 10% the kinds of things that are actually important.... like interfacing with INTERPOL, and acting as a barrier to arms dealing and human trafficking.
Since we can't abolish something 90%, we need to assign those duties to another organization, until ICE is left with nothing except evil/redundant duties, and THEN abolish it.
You can't reform rot.
Abolish, and then literally re-form the agency from the ground up with transparency and oversight.
Dude fucking why? ICE didn't even exist before 2003. They don't need to exist now.
Yep, we already have immigration and customs. No need for low intelligence thugs.
Michele Johnson, a DNC member from Louisiana who proposed the measure to abolish ICE, said it’s time for Democrats to take a stand and pointed to the dissolution of ICE’s predecessor agency, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, as a precedent.
“I think one of the reasons why people are not trusting the party is because we sound so academic,” she said. “We sound focus group tested, we sound poll tested because we’re worried about saying the wrong thing or doing the wrong thing and not just like, just stand on business, like take a position.”
I think the idea is to bring back the thing we had before 2003, INS, which definitely had its problems, but was a lot more like a bunch of IRS agents checking paperwork instead of the heavily armed and violent thing we've got with ICE
Yeah, not having immigration services isn't on the table, but I sure do prefer the idea that they're a bunch of bureaucrats without weapons
Yeah border patrol at least has a theoretical reason to exist, even if that purpose devolves to paper pushers but ICE is at best redundant. Really the entirety of the department of homeland security is fucking worthless and should be dissolved with maybe the twin exceptions of the coast guard and FEMA.
There was still immigration and customs enforcement going on before the agency named ICE existed with that name. Regardless of what you want to call it, there will be an agency doing those things after ICE is abolished. There is not a world where the US stops enforcing immigration and customs laws after ICE is gone. The best we can hope for is the current ICE goons get sent to prison and a new organization gets built from the ground up that is less shitty.
Why do we need armed agents of the state breaking up communities at all to enforce something that is classified as the same level of crime as jaywalking (a misdemeanor)?
I think we need border enforcement. We do not need armed thugs with little morality and oversight doing it.
Why have border enforcement? I'd rather return to the revolving door that used to be our border. It was easier, safer, and let to more money flowing in the economy.
Why is it better to break apart communities to enforce a misdemeanor charge if calm, dispassionate armed agents of the state do it?
A lot of things need to change and it won't be easy/overnight. I don't think CBP needs to be enforcing 200 miles from the borders, which covers almost every major populated area in the US. I think the path to citizenship needs to be a lot easier and faster. And I think misdemeanors should be enforced, but not with aggression, kidnapping, and imprisonment.
I don't think CBP needs to be enforcing 200 miles from the borders, which covers almost every major populated area in the US.
It's actually worse than that because they're allowed to consider airports a border, which means every populated area.
How would you go about disarming ICE?
I am not talking about the politics, I am talking about the logistics, how do you prevent these thugs from simply refusing to give up their weapons and facilities?
These are people who are loyal to Trump and his merry gang of dickheads, do you really think they will follow a presidential order by someone other than Trump?
It would be a federal organization disobeying direct orders, read them the insurrection act and send the national guard after them.
Most of the ice employees are spineless cowards who just want a little taste of power over someone. I don't imagine many of them are going to risk a federal charge for the cause.
And if they try to bunker down cut the water and power, siege them out.
Stop paying them would be a good first move. Stop supplying them would be a good second move.
How? Pretty sure it'd normally be illegal for them to keep government equipment, but if not, make it so. Then arrest them if the keep it. This isn't hard.
We need a Justice Department that would be willing and able to enforce it. Which may be some time from now unless something else happens from the citizens side.
We need a third party .those two are the same crap.
I mean, the vote to support abolishing ICE did pass, just by less of a margin than the reform ICE motion. The Democratic party still isn't good enough but there are some signs they have gotten a bit better and probably will continue to do so if they're feeling pressure from their base.
Or the conservative Democrats can join the sinking ship that is the Republican party and we can make the democrat party an actual progressive party.
There are no more democrats, just republicans that put on democratic make up or wolves in sheep clothing if you prefer.