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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Man I love it. Hoping one day it is supported on grapheneos. Still no headphone jack throws me off though

[–] Benaaasaaas@group.lt 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Graphene OS needs a hardware level chip, that enables secure encryption of data so far only pixels have that. They are working with Motorola though.

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Somehow after being repeatedly told that they still ask it. But GOS team did make a post detailing why they won't support nor partnership with fairphone 97829

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Yeah I am aware of their hardware requirements. I'm not sure if Fairphone has this on their roadmap

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

I personally think that the GOS team is intentionally not wanting to, not due to the requirements, but due to the water so to speak.

There was a lot of bad blood between a company that Fairphone closely partners with, so therefore they don't want to even think about the concept of it. I think that shows quite well when you look at their post considering that their post goes into detail on the supply chain aspects of it and who they're partnered with instead of focusing on the actual issues with the device.

Being said, I understand their points on the software updates and the hardware requirement. But, ostensibly I don't think they are rejecting it due to those concerns.

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[–] DannyMac@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 days ago (4 children)

ITT: People complaining about how this phone is 100% perfect and what they want. Instead of moving towards heaven, we might as well remain in hell until heaven is directly attainable. It's a good start and the more money that gets thrown this way, the more others will follow. But by all means, don't support this endeavor, let's stay in our Apple/Samsung/Google versions of hell instead.

[–] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Is my fairphone 5 the perfect device? No, I guess.

Did I get to buy a new USB-C port for my nearly 3 year old phone after destroying the old one by dropping it in a full sink of dirty water and replace it in 5 minutes without soldering or phone repair knowledge? Hell yes!

A friend of mine just bought a new battery for his 6-7 year old FP3 and can keep using it.

If Fairphone can do modularity of that kind, imagine what big players Apple or Samsung would be able to achieve if they cared at all. Imagine GrapheneOS would not publicly shit on Fairphone for their flaws but instead reach out a hand and ask for collaboration to try and make their next phone compatible.

Oh well, hell is fine too, I guess.

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[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 days ago

that's too many stairs

Basically sums up all the reactions to any increase in popularity of any open/foss project 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

That is what turned me off choosing Graphene, other than having to buy Google hardware. They, but also some other Foss people, are investing way too much time attacking other alternatives fiercely, as if they were created by the devil, because they are not pure enough or because they are less secure than Graphene.

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[–] SubstituteTurkey@lemmy.ca 163 points 4 days ago (57 children)
[–] Sparrow_1029@programming.dev 80 points 4 days ago

There's one dev who's been hard at work making postmarketOS work for FP6:

https://ani.social/u/TheMightyCat

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[–] toph@feddit.uk 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

It still sucks for security. If you own this phone you should consider that the authorities and pretty much anyone who really wants to can get into your phone at will. I wish they could meet Graphene’s hardware requirements.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 9 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Aren't Graphene's hardware requirements "be a Pixel"?

[–] toph@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No lol, they have a list of specific hardware security requirements for a device to have, the biggest one being a secure element. Without a secure element there is no hardware-backed key derivation throttling, so it's much more possible for an attacker to brute force your phone's PIN.

Support for using alternate operating systems including full hardware security functionality
Complete monthly Android Security Bulletin patches without any regular delays longer than a week for device support code (firmware, drivers and HALs)
At least 5 years of updates from launch for device support code with phones (Pixels now have 7) and 7 years with tablets
Device support code updated to new monthly, quarterly and yearly releases of AOSP within several months to provide new security improvements (Pixels receive these in the month they're released)
Linux 6.1, 6.6 or 6.12 Generic Kernel Image (GKI) support
Hardware accelerated virtualization usable by GrapheneOS (ideally pKVM to match Pixels but another usable implementation may be acceptable)
Hardware memory tagging (ARM MTE or equivalent)
Hardware-based coarse grained Control Flow Integrity (CFI) for baseline coverage where type-based CFI isn't used or can't be deployed (BTI/PAC, CET IBT or equivalent)
PXN, SMEP or equivalent
PAN, SMAP or equivalent
Isolated radios (cellular, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, etc.), GPU, SSD, media encode / decode, image processor and other components
Support for A/B updates of both the firmware and OS images with automatic rollback if the initial boot fails one or more times
Verified boot with rollback protection for firmware
Verified boot with rollback protection for the OS (Android Verified Boot)
Verified boot key fingerprint for yellow boot state displayed with a secure hash (non-truncated SHA-256 or better)
StrongBox keystore provided by secure element
Hardware key attestation support for the StrongBox keystore
Attest key support for hardware key attestation to provide pinning support
Weaver disk encryption key derivation throttling provided by secure element
Insider attack resistance for updates to the secure element (Owner user authentication required before updates are accepted)
Inline disk encryption acceleration with wrapped key support
64-bit-only device support code
Wi-Fi anonymity support including MAC address randomization, probe sequence number randomization and no other leaked identifiers
Support for disabling USB data and also USB as a whole at a hardware level in the USB controller
Reset attack mitigation for firmware-based boot modes such as fastboot mode zeroing memory left over from the OS and delaying opening up attack surface such as USB functionality until that's completed
Debugging features such as JTAG or serial debugging must be inaccessible while the device is locked

Until the collaboration with Motorola produces a device, only the recent Pixels meet the requirements.

Fairphone is also one of the worse OEM's when it comes to how slowly they patch and releases security vulnerabilities, and they are known to be quite sloppy, in the past they have published their private keys. I wouldn't trust keeping anything remotely private or sensitive on a Fairphone.

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[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This

My dream phone is made by Fairphone, runs Graphene and has pin-board power switches like the Pinephone (its got good ideas, but its running a 2013 chipset, its a dev device for making linux mobile work better)

... Wishful thinking.

[–] unglueclass23@programming.dev 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Samsung hardware

Fairphone sustainability / repairability

Pixel / GrapheneOS privacy

Chinese prices

Dream phone of mine.

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[–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 40 points 3 days ago (7 children)

If this thing ran grapheneos I'd get rid of my pixel tomorrow

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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago (1 children)

$650 is less bad than I thought it was going to be.

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 85 points 4 days ago (12 children)

I've "read my last free article".

Fuck you, Wired

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago (2 children)

No, see it was meant as a threat.

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[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I AM BUYING IT NOWWWW!!!! LESSSS GOOOO!

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Honestly, the only thing that stopped me from going them this time around was the ip55 rating. I do too much stuff that involves my phone getting wet. So, realistically, I can't look at anything that has less than IP68 because I need that full immersion rating. The quest for repairability doesn't need to compromise that, you can have an IP68 rating with a battery that is removable by screws. The Samsung X-Cover Pro proved that. It's just not financially incentivized for consumer devices, which is why you normally only find it for dedicated corporate device lines

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 4 days ago (43 children)

I'll be that guy. No headphone jack, no sale. As others have said, I'd love GrapheneOS as well, but I know why that isn't in the cards.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 44 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Yeah, no jack no thanks ...

Not a deal breaker for others but it is for me. Their rationale saying that the USB-C is more resilient than the jack is weird because I've never had the jack fail and even if it does isn't that why you're selling a repairable phone to me ...?

Anyways, I see they're selling earbuds so I'm going to assume that that's their main motivator.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I’ve had several 3.5mm jacks fail. I’ve yet to have a USBC port fail, but I’ve also had fewer USBC ports and for fewer years.

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[–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 9 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Fairphone 6 might be the worst phone I've ever owned. I bought one hoping it'd last me 6 years and it barely last 6 months. The software is so buggy it's embarrassing.

[–] FLP22012005@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I am now 6 months in, I do not share that experience at all.

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[–] arc99@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fairphones seem okay from a hardware POV but the software is a bit lacking in terms of security and support.

[–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

See I keep reading this, especially here on Lemmy but since owning one, I've had more frequent updates than I think any phone I've previously owned, and definitely more than family who go with bigger brands.

I don't know why they have this reputation, perhaps it was true in the past

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