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This is basically my current job. Almost the same pay (120k) in the Seattle area.
I work 50-70 hours a week
Found the listing for anyone curious about the company. It's a recruitment company recruiting for a law firm.
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/information-technology-manager-at-bookman-consulting-4453231245
Honestly, this is what we currently have at our mid sized company. We get paid dogshit, nobody has a dedicated position we're just all "IT" and we do everything to keep shit running
Wait this is just my current job but with double the pay...
fuck I gotta get a new job
Yeah, you need a new job. This is also my current job for not enough pay. You're getting shafted.
With that being said, this isn't really 3 jobs like the post implies. If you've worked with data integrations before, you know how SQL, APIs and cloud solutions interact.
I worked a short stint as a network administrator for a company I did not like at all. I figured it'd be a foot in the door, but boy was I wrong. I didn't last 6 months, I was doing work of a network tech, network admin, security tech for door locks and cameras, a custodian, and general computer tech in all that. It was a VASTLY underpaid position for the work.
P1: Printer not working again!
P2: Ah I'll go tell that programmer guy
That company, probably
Meanwhile CEO makes 3mil a year while planning to ~~sell~~ merge the company with another one and get the golden parachute.
Am I crazy that those sound reasonable IT manager level things? If company size is 100-200 endpoints, the IT manager should understand all of these, if he/she doesn't, I would not want to work at that IT team
There’s not enough hours in day to do all those tasks that this will entail. You’ll constantly be dragged between different domains nd have no time to focus on anything
Source: I’ve done this job before. Company wasn’t even big either. Just 30 people or so
You're not crazy, it's just that posts like this are generally tribal. Nobody here actually knows what the day-to-day of that job is, they just want a pretext to vent about their own experiences of being asked to do work that they didn't want to do.
It manager level for entry level pay
I've worked at places with <50 people where the 2 IT people had "manager" titles, but they were just "the IT people" in practice - one handled user stuff, the other was focused on the client-facing infrastructure.
Our lone HR person was also the "HR manager", we had a single "accounting manager", and a couple more like that. Some departments ended up expanding and the "managers" did end up with direct reports, but that's kinda just how small businesses work, this posting sounds a lot like that.
Have you seen pay these days? Where are you getting 110k entry level?
California has a minimum wage for software employees to be salaried and not pay them overtime (salaried exempt). It's about $123k. I've never seen an entry level position that didn't expect overtime, so $110k is actually low unless it's a part time internship.
Also leaving that link there for anyone who might have just discovered their employer is doing wage theft and owes them a lot of money.
I guess where I work, if you're on carpet you're 80-110k salary for jobs like purchasing, inventory etc not engineers or supoort. if you work in shipping or manufacturing you're around 65-85k depending on experience
Must be nice
If it's an onsite position, it depends on living costs.
Some people are claiming 3k for rent is the minimum in the area. Just north of Beverly Hills.
That's half the salary, just for a studio apartment. Then there's another chunk for taxes and they're left with 1-2k for general expenses and living life.
Salaries isn't a simple thing you can move from one area to another
That's when you live in a van down by the river instead
The pay scale people have become accustomed to is absurd.
Typical of a 20-30 people company where everyone has to do different things.
Our client is a large Law Firm in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks Area) that is looking to hire a talented IT Manager. They have an excellent culture and do a great job at retaining their staff long-term. This person MUST live in LA and be willing to be on site!!
Though it's not an IT company so their IT department may very well be like 2 or 3 people
Sounds like their IT team is going to be this one person
Yes, that's pretty normal outside of IT companies and gigantic non-IT companies.
Would be an OK salary for most of Europe. Most countries here have relatively solid health care insurance, affordable education and a pension fund included, so that some of the biggest costs of living in the US don't even make a dent in the salary.
I'm in Sweden, this would be an amazing salary. I make maybe 40% of that, and I'm pretty well paid.
Same!
But you have a functional social safety net, insurance and retirement covered with your taxes. We don't and is horribly expensive to fork $24K a year to have access to health with a $7K deductible while thinking that if you get fired the equivalent of UB pay is $226/wk after you present substantiation to the state that you're trying to get work. On top of that insurance is tied to employment and that heavily influences work mobility and care as if anyone gets anything catastrophic loses the job, the insurance and all your savings.
But you have a functional social safety net
I grew up in poverty, I know what this social safety net looked like 20 years ago. It's been hollowed out by a decade of alt-right governance since. They've pushed the non-white welfare king/queen narrative hard.
Living on subsistence minimum isn't really a comfortable life. You have to constantly apply for it and get scrutinised, and sometimes you get automatically denied because the government has applied a quota that försäkringskassan has to fill; it's luck of the draw.
It's certainly not something I'd ever view as a nice stress-free fallback to recover from, it's a full-time job in and of itself, and that's not counting the critique you have to put up with from society for using the system as it is intended.
insurance and retirement covered with your taxes.
Ish. Current retirees are covered by current taxpayers. My retirement will be covered by future taxpayers. This has lead to the retirement age being bumped up a couple of times the past few years, because there's not enough taxes coming in to cover retirement. I don't expect to ever actually retire.
The average pension income currently is 16400 crowns a month before taxes. My rent is 8.4k and it goes up with several hundred a year. Pensions generally remain fairly static.
By insurance I guess you mean healthcare. This is largely true, we have a high-cost protection, and that includes visits so if you buy enough meds or visit the doctors enough each year, the high cost protection kicks in, it's currently at approximately 3000 crowns.
My a-kassa isn't free, nor is it tax funded. I personally pay for that on a monthly basis. It's also tied to you looking for work.
There are upsides and downsides to everything. Things get bad here, too.
Great perspective, thank you for sharing that effectively not everything is perfect or works as intended.
I see your struggle and hope we all can make it right for us, our kids and their kids, thank you for fighting the good fight.
Yeah no shit it's an it manager role
Yeah, it doesn't sound like 3 jobs at all. It's as close to a textbook definition of what you'd expect an IT Manager to do as I can think of.
Kids these days don't know I guess
I saw similar when looking for work as a graphic designer, with duties that can be summarised as "design our printed materials, build our website (with JavaScript knowledge required), and also plan our marketing strategy".
Then when I mentioned this in a Clients from Hell comment section, I got someone defend the practice with that small companies can't afford to hire separate people for the 3 separate skillsets...
That shit would be 45-60k here and it infuriates me.
A German three letter agency had a similar ad. They were looking for someone who was proficient in encryption, hacking, protocols on Windows, Mac and Linux, and a few other things in that area. Experienced both in programming and leadership. And as a cherry on the top, this person would have to have knowledge about all the legal aspects of all of this, too.
All for a midrange bureaucrat salary. A security expert commented on this something like "if i had someone with that kind of skill set and experience, I would hire him out for a daily fee about as high as their offered monthly salary."
Many years ago I got offered 20% over minimum wage to manage, among other things, all email servers of a large banking association representing >90% of a national market.
It was less than what a Tesco cashier was making in the area.
When I was a student, I already had my Novell admin certificate, so it got some jobs on the side. Someone pointed me to a law firm where the owner wanted their PCs networked. We met, he showed me the list of hardware he wanted to buy - everything top notch, big server, new PCs with all bells, whistles and gongs back then, 19in rack for all the necessities, etc. That list was an offer from an expensive office outfitter he knew.
He "just" needed someone to install the stuff. I could easily have done that, but all he offered was a kind of internship. Oh what I could learn from working with top of the pop equipment! I told him I was here because it already knew everything that was needed. He then offered me that I could take the old PCs as "compensation".
I left, and warned others not to waste time with that idiot.