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Man the anti Linux users in the discussion are so weird. Like why simp for windows? are they upset the couldn't get Linux running on their desktop?
leave the multimillion company alone
Maybe they think it will facilitate hacking?
Or maybe split development resources?
I’m not saying that’s true or even a rational argument, just trying to play devil’s advocate.
so wine IS an emulator!
No you see it's only valve's specific patches in proton that turn wine from not an emulator to an emulator. This is why wine doesn't just accept proton's patches making it obsolete /s
And GNU is Unix!
Funnily enough, XNU (the macOS kernel) is actually UNIX.
You mean wie
YAML is not just yet another markdown language
I think the extremes on either side of this are nuts. Specifically:
Linux purists demanding a native executable.
Windows purists… just being difficult, I guess?
Official Proton support is an excellent, functional compromise. It’s extremely usable, and extremely practical for devs to maintain within their existing environment.
It's usable until it isn't. That's the problem with Wine/Proton. It's not a stable implementation of a well defined specification like Java. It's a reimplementation via reverse engineering of proprietary Win32, something that's buggy and sometimes changed between Windows updates by accident.
Update to a game compiled with a slightly newer version of Visual Studio, like it's happening all the time with live service games? Compatibility becomes a dice roll. Sure, the chance is high that compatibility is kept but it not 100%. Neither is Proton not breaking a game by accident. The big games are automatically checked by Valve but some weird indie game isn't.
And here comes the wonderful thing that's Steam Linux Runtime: containerized binary compatible runtimes of every other or so Debian release. All the issues about not being able to target Linux because of its ever changing nature have been fixed by Valve and yet for whatever reason Valve refuses to promote it towards developers.
They literally promote Win32+x86 emulation for Steam Frame development, a wearable platform where even the slightest stuttering can cause motion sickness and where battery optimization is paramount.
I hope Valve bring Lepton, their Android compatibility layer, to x86 Linux as well. Lepton is based directly on AOSP and not reverse engineering. I have higher hope for that.
I would argue the difference is that they claim that it's officially supported through Proton, meaning they're likely to put effort into ensuring it continues to function through proton.
I've had games with native Linux versions on Steam break more times than games I play through Proton
With Proton it's usually temporary, and is fixed with a new release. When native Linux games break it has been permanently, because the developers stop maintaining it. Though it might be worth mentioning that I mostly play multiplayer and I consider a game "broken" if I no longer can play together with my friends who use Windows
I’ve had games with native Linux versions on Steam break more times than games I play through Proton
How many of these games target a proper Steam Linux Runtime? My guess is none and your experience is based on ancient Linux versions from a time SLR did not exist.
When native Linux games break it has been permanently, because the developers stop maintaining it.
Of course. "Valve refuses to promote it towards developers" I literally wrote that already.
Proton is a hacky workaround, targeting and properly maintaining Steam Linux Runtime is the proper solution but Valve does not promote this, so nearly nobody knows about it, and Lepton could be a properly promoted, directly based on AOSP instead of reverse engineering option, should Valve bring it to x86. That's literally what I wrote already.
+1. I have no argument with this.
Official Proton support is an excellent, functional compromise.
Except it's not a compromise. 99% of games on Steam work on Proton without input from the devs. All they have to do to make it work on Proton is to not go out of their way to break it. At most, they probably have a single Linux system in the studio to run builds on just to make sure it works.
They're doing nothing in this regard and pretending they're doing something for brownie points. If you don't want to put in effort to make a separate Linux native version that's fine, but don't then turn around and claim that you're focussed on Linux support.
Nice, need more games like this playable on Linux
They have to. Milsim players have a big linux playerbase.
Wait. It's not arcadey like BF6?
a between. More arcadey than milsim more sim than bf
Honestly that is the kinda area that interests me. So far the main FPS games I like are the WW1 games like Isonzo and Enlisted in low rank games only - because high rank gives every rifleman a machine gun.
It looks like squad(which is the halfway between arma and BF) without the suppression mechanic.
we have to train for the great distro war
Proton is a fork of Wine, and Wine Is Not Emulation!
Sounds kinda interesting. Fairly high system requirements but at least they do specify that gets you 60FPS.
Would probably wait for ProtonDB to fill out reports first.
Glad to see they're officially supporting linux as an option. Looks like my kind of FPS, especially love the part of the trailer where they explicitly say they AREN'T a battle royale XD.
Day one support for a big fps
4 year ago we would have thought it to be impossible
As it turns out, LOSSY fumbled.
It's NOT officially supported through Proton. There are merely plans to do so, right now it can't start.
"We support ARM hardware via x86 emulation"
Obligatory "wine is not an emulator". So...
Obligatory “wine is not an emulator”. So…
Obligatory *whoosh* because you missed the game developers referring to Proton as emulation.
I keep seeing this game pop up, is this the new hot shit or just a flash in the pan streamer thing, I would love more old school battlefield shenanigans
I bought it for the Linux support as I like battlefield so I'll let you know as a non streamer after the weekend.
No idea what this game is but it seems like this person has no idea what's going on lol.
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