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Amazon is facing fresh scrutiny over the use of physical books for artificial intelligence training after an investigation reportedly tracked a shipment of hard-to-find titles to a company facility in Las Vegas, where workers allegedly cut the bindings from books before scanning their pages and eventually destroying them.

The investigation, reported by 404 Media, involved placing a tracking device inside a book from a large order and following its journey across the United States. The shipment ultimately reached an Amazon facility associated with an operation known as VGT3.

The discovery has raised concerns among booksellers, librarians and readers about what happens to physical books once they are acquired as potential sources of AI training data.

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[-] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 6 days ago

Words cannot express how much I fucking hate corporate AI

[-] alapakala@quokk.au 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Fascism*
Nazis burning 📚
Modern day book burning

[-] quakki@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 days ago

How is this in any way comparable to that? The bad thing abt nazi book burning wasnt the destruction of physical copies of books, but the destruction of knowledge and their intent behind it

[-] alapakala@quokk.au 1 points 5 days ago

hard-to-find titles

but the destruction of knowledge

[-] quakki@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 days ago
  1. So the only scenario where your think makes sense if we have a seller with a book that is the only unit in existance and it is not digitized.
  2. The bad thing about nazi book burnings was the targetting of the books of political enemies and jewish authors. This isn't the case here. They destroy at most one copy of any book across the board.
[-] alapakala@quokk.au 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
  1. That's what rare & H2F means
  2. Read point one, carefully. If the books weren't rare, it wouldn't have enemies, but more commonly copied. Like the Christian Bible.
[-] degen@midwest.social 2 points 5 days ago

I think their point is that scanning preserves the content rather than destroying it, but I'm guessing the scans aren't exactly public.

Destroying the original is flat out stupid from every angle unless it's unavoidable or destruction (or taking control) is the goal.

Honestly it might be worse if that's not the idea, but yeah it's still nazi coded at best

[-] alapakala@quokk.au 1 points 5 days ago

the scans aren’t exactly public.

Exactly.

destruction (or taking control) is the goal.

Every fascist regime’s is.

nazi coded at best

Now that you know, what are you going to do about this?

[-] quakki@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 4 days ago

Very good you're close to the point. The destruction is a legal neccesity.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago

The same applies here

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

I'm flirting with radicalization over here

[-] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

Was global warming not enough?

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago
[-] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

Welcome to the movement. This is a good book to get started. I would recommend you to skip straight to chapter 1.

The Conquest of Bread

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago
[-] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

You are welcome :>

[-] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 5 days ago

It's because that might allow them to monopolize access to information later on. Your future library is called Amazon and it costs you a 100 bucks per month subscription. Plus, they can change the information displayed to you at will, as it all comes from their algorithmic black box.

[-] Sasquatch@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago

First off, if my future Library of Everything is called anything other than "Alexandria", I'll be quite cross

[-] vimmiewimmie@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 days ago

Sadly, they might just call it Alexa-Libria or some sht

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago

They aren't doing this to gatekeep information, they're doing this to rewrite history. Fascism cannot survive otherwise.

[-] alapakala@quokk.au 11 points 5 days ago

And not a single person cares. Otherwise anyone would have acted

Last year

Enjoy the braindrain

[-] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 days ago

If these LLMs are so great why do they need to destroy the books to scan them in.

My phone can scan a page and account for the curve caused by the spine but it's too much for their LLM data centers to figure out.

[-] undefinedTruth@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 days ago

Because if you get all the copies of a rare book, scan it and destroy it, then nobody else can use it for training but you. They don't have to, they choose to.

[-] YourMomsTrashman@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

According to David Gerard (youtube podcast link) they cut off the spines of the books to allow for rapid scanning

Edit: Ars Technica too, thanks alapakala

[-] undefinedTruth@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago

Yes, but being the only one able to get their hands on that book and destroying it has that added benefit. My point is that there is no motivation to preserve those books, quite the opposite in fact.

[-] 1D10@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Most "rare" books exist in digital format.

[-] undefinedTruth@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

Then they are not rare by definition. These are not the books they are buying.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah they are. The company needs to scan their own physical copy, for legal reasons.

They did it your way, and people screamed bloody murder about "piracy," so now they're doing this. Anyone who demanded they do things "the right way" meant, this. Whether they knew it or not.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

At the core of it is a rotten person making rotten decisions. That's why each solution is worse than the previous.

[-] quakki@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 days ago

the first person that actually speaks sense in this thread

[-] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

They're feeding it in, like a copier machine -- one sheet at a time so they lop off the binder, run the stack, and send it to the trash or furnace or wherever.

But yes, they could be doing it non-destructively, but they're being fascist-like.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago

It's faster, cheaper and can be automated. That's it. That's the whole reason. To avoid paying a person to do it.

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[-] Oka@sopuli.xyz 7 points 6 days ago

I feel like we're missing information from that summary:

  • why are they "hard to find" titles?
  • are the books being sold digitally under a license?
  • is that license for 1 digital copy, or is the same book being copy-pasted to each buyer?
  • how were the books acquired?
  • do the books have redistribution rights?
[-] 1D10@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

They never list titles or condition of the books so I just assume they are the same books you can find in big piles at the dump mostly old text books and technical books. I love books I own hundreds of them, but people don't buy enough 2nd hand books there are sites where you can buy books by the yard so you can have a neat and matching library, there are warehouses full of books to rent for movie sets. Noone realy cares they just want to be upset.

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