Not sure why they're comparing this to the Fairphone, as far as I can tell the only hardware component that is replaceable here is the battery. Which is nice, but not close to the Fairphone
And the point of the Fairphone is also that they try to ensure fair working conditions and better treatment of people throughout the entire supply chain
But does the Gigaset?
Since it isn't plastered all over marketing materials, almost certainly not. It causes a significant (but justified) rise in cost you also have to justify to customers.
Well by law they need to provide replacable battery if the phone is not water resistant, so yeah, they pretend making phone in accordance to law is a feature
Hey now, this only goes into effect from late February next year!
I guess they are pretty clear about it in the first sentence: It's an alternative for those looking for something more European. Which is valid even though it's not why most people get a fairphone.
For those who place a high priority on maximizing value creation in Europe when buying a smartphone, Gigaset’s flagship is an interesting alternative to the Fairphone 6.
It's crazy how Microsoft managed to effectively kill Nokia phones.
Nokia killed themselves. Microsoft was just the wolf that gobbled up the dying lamb.
No, Nokia would have had quite some success with Maemo and/or MeeGo devices such as the N900 and N9 had Microsoft not killed the projects and tried to push Windows instead.
The N9 was ahead of its time. It feels modern to use even almost two decades later.
SailfishOS continues MeeGo as a new project. Other operating systems such as Android and iOS have copied many UI elements such as the gestures from that.
If Microsoft had done marketing for the existing OS instead if pushing Windows phones, there's a chance Nokia phones running MeeGo would've become a common sight and probably still would be.
The N9 still feels great every time I take it out of the drawer, but with 2G and lacking updates, it isn't really usable any longer.
Aren't Fairphone Dutch?
Yeah, it's an alternative to Fairphone as in "gosh, I want a European phone but the Fairphone is so expensive, I wish there was an alternative". Sorry, I wasn't very clear, nor is the article.
It is important to note that Gigaset is a German company, but since 2024 it is owned by V-Tech based in Hong Kong.
Well, good to have more choice there. But only two major Android updates? Fairphone policy is eight major updates.
You could go with /e/os, they promise 8 years of software updates for the Gigaset GX6 and as many Android upgrades as they can get running during that time. Admittedly a fixed promise would be better but from what I could gather they tend to support devices fully for longer, even though the Android version upgrades take longer to arrive
/e/OS has some weird customisations in the Android UI, making it look alnost like iOS. They also do not clearly say where their app store gets the apps from.
For those and other reason I always recommend French iodéOS instead.
Fairphone has PMOS support (6 is getting there very quickly)
Fairphone has calyxOS support (now that calyx is resumed, they will likely support the 6)
Does the gigaset have any of that, or just stock android with barely any updates even?
And you can buy a Fairphone 6 with Murena preinstalled
USB 2 type C so no video over it, unlike the Fairphone.
Fairphone 6 also has USB2.0 sadly. Cost cutting...
the most important questions about a smartphone for me are:
-can you easily unlock the bootloader?
-how's the custom rom situation?
Don't forget:
- Can you re-lock the bootloader? With different keys?
This should be possible to have the most basic security feature.
I'm fairly (lol) happy with my Fairphone, but more competition and more options certainly won't hurt customers!
While it is nice to have this here, I don't think the Gigaset is in any way a good comparison to the Fairphone. If you want to have a "real" alternative, check out the ~~Shift Phones.~~
Edit: Sorry, the English version of the page seems not to be up-to-date and missing a lot of info. Please check the German version if possible for you.
I'm confused a bit, though - there is SHIFTphone 8 for preorder while they are already selling 8.1? There is also no mention (or it is in German) of OS updates they are comiting to etc. But I like that phone company produces also an e-bike :) EDIT - which leads only to a banner, nothing else.
In the German FAQ they guarantee feature updates until 2036 and security updates for longer than 2036.They also claim to try to deliver feature updates after 2036.
Also the 8.1 seems to be basically the same as the 8. On the shop page they use both names for the same thing
Another one without a headphone jack.
i think we have to get used to it, 3mm jack will not come back
Yeah, mainly because some people want to sell bluetooth shit that will need replacement more often.
If at least someone could make a dongle that doesn't suck.
That.
Also, I miss headphone sharing.
And people not blasting the whole train with some loud shit they are watching instead of simply plugging in some 2 € / piece headphones.
I liked when the Sony MH-410c came with every new phone.
If people still had phones with headphone jacks, I'd just throw cheap headphones at them and travel on the train in peace.
The ifi Audio GO Link is pretty decent.

FiiO KA11 might also be good. Both around 50 $.

Edit: GO link is phased out, it's 2 now.

Heck, any generix 10€ dongle with a CX31993 will be more than sufficient for most people
tbh, I switched to bluetooth after some time. My cables broke way too often. I still like it as a fallback, but that’s pretty much it.
I have the opposite experience, lots of connection problems and batteries dying, when I decided to buy something of better quality it bricked itself after the warranty expired. Fuck Senheiser.
Clicks Communicator is gonna be released later this year and it brings back both the headphone jack and physical keyboard! And the company is registered in the UK which is perhaps interesting for this sub.
The keys seem the same shape, making them hard to distinguish without looking.
I'd love new hardware with the same keys as the BlackBerry Classic, though.
You can get it for 399 with /e/OS at https://murena.com/ !
gigaset isn't german anymore? because we like to sell out :)) gigaset, avm, kuka and many more :))
The owners are Chinese. The factory is still in Germany.
Still, I wouldn't call it European then
I can't support anything German for having the defense of genocidal colonial power as the reason of the state
"Android"
Enough said.
Good or bad?
Depends what you favor in convenience vs privacy & being free to do whatever the fuck you want with hardware you supposedly bought.
Also the common version of Android is an American OS controlled by a company that falls under the Cloud Act jurisdiction, amongst others, so not really trustworthy (even if you're American, much less European).
Does this phone even have an easilly unlockable bootloader?!
German device design, Taiwanese components, German assembly and controlling software layer made by an American Tech giant whose CEO has given support to Donald Trump, is sorta EU made but is not EU controlled, IMHO.
I think that this day and age and given what we all see happen, we should be pushing for at least designed for openness in a made-in-EU a device which is supposedly always with you, loaded with personal info and highly weaved into one's life.
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