Thanks for sharing. It was installed for me as well on the 14th apparently, even though my phone's not getting updates anymore. I was hoping I wouldn't get it because of that, but I guess it's purely a play services thing.
Pichai, you fucking banchode.
GrapheneOS, my beloved
What I feel no one is asking is, and what I'm still confused about, would MicroG still be working wthin all of this? Its a sandbox, I get it, but that dosent mean it could have the ability to stop working since it can't access apps. Like if that gets closed off, then what? There are still some app that are not fully stock android that a lot of people need to use unless you have them on computer or tablet ( For banking for example, I use my apps for all my finances on my iPad)
Maybe I don't get how the sandboxing works for MicroG but, if its using google, I would avoid it as much as I can.
My kids' phones (Pinwheel-managed Moto G Play models) attempted to install this in the background as well. I only found out about it because I got an app request from the devices; the kids had zero knowledge of it.
I blocked the installation.
Hold up, what magic is this? You can gatekeep installations of any app on their phones? I've looked into doing this with Google Play but as far as I can tell they only enable it for mature content. Which doesn't help to stop my old father in law from installing trash "security" apps on his phone.
Yes. It's a company called Pinwheel, they provide phones pre-setup with what is essentially MDM, but geared towards child usage.
I can do the following remotely from the "caregiver portal":
- Install/uninstall apps from Pinwheel's "curated" app list
- Enable/disable Google Play store (apps still require approval)
- See their texts and calls (including actual content - they know we can see this, we don't hide it)
- Approve/block contacts; or, allow them to manage their own contact list, but blocked contacts cannot be bypassed
- See their live location and location history
- Set schedules and modes to enable/disable apps/features at certain times, and after any specific duration if desired
- Remove the lockscreen passcode
...all remotely.
If your FIL can't handle smartphone stuff, I would absolutely recommend something like this for him.
The catch is that Pinwheel costs about $15/mo per device. Worth it IMO. They also have their own optional MVNO plan, with everything rolled into one price. I forget how much it is - I just put my kids on Mint Mobile.
Spying on every text and call your kids make is wild, I'm glad I didn't grow up in an era where it's normal to have 0 privacy as a kid, y'all crazy parents.
When it rolled out, it removed my root as well. I guess I may be jumping ship to lineageos soon. I like root features too much.
What do you in practice do with root? Extracting data from apps?
Delete Googles pushed shit apps like this lol
Mostly AdAway and Morpho, but also ColorBlendr.
Not op, but I use it to make automated proper backups of all important apps. Androids own backup system does not catch a lot of stuff, some apps don't support or allow it at all, and it's limited. I just get a full package of all the apps data, every morning, then synced to my nas via syncthing.
I also remove a long list of annoyances:
- Apps setting brightness (youtube when going fullscreen increases it a bit, some apps do it when showing qr codes (making them hard to scan) )
- Make all notifications editeable (The wifi portal ones are anoying in countries that have login websites for all public wifi)
- Let me screenshot everything
- Let me downgrade apps and change certificates (e.g. going from a github to fdroid release without reinstall)
- Apply my vector app-icon pack to systemui, i.e. the app switcher (and app details)
- Force apps to allow reverse portrait orientations when they inexplicably forbid it (I use reverse portrait while charging sometimes when the charger is behind/above me)
- Make my notification drawer transparent
- Mod the home button out of firefox (fennec), and severely mod discord
- Record calls (my memory is bad, I protocol details afterwards sometimes. Recordings auto-delete after a bit)
- Remove all drm support from my phone, just in case
- Let Adaway work in hosts mode, to improve performance and so it doesn't influence an active vpn
- Morphe modded youtube without its own microg app (while I still have gsm)
- Lets me select all paths in those app share storage dialogues, so I can make an app save directly to downloads and don't have to make a subfolder for example
- Make fdroid install just like playstore can, without any forced popups or dialogues, having full system permissions and the ability to downgrade apps.
- I may have used root to disable the thin gesture bar hint thing at the bottom of the screen in gesture navigation. I don't have it in any case.
- I also use root to change adb settings on my phone conveniently, like thinner back gesture triggers, using the full 4k resolution of my screen, changing screen locking procedures, hide some icons in my status bar, hide the popup whwn rotating the phone on locked rotation, hide thepopup for screenshots, hide the popup for copy, disable googles play protect scanning and background app killer, change connectivity checker and time server to urls not tracked by google, ...
- I use root to easily set up and manage a second profile, have my file manager access the entire filesystem inclusing system files, enable the olde GameGuardian (similar to CheatEngine, arguably even more powerful, and for android), and to view and share my wifi passwords regardless of what my specific rom happens to think of that at the moment.
- I also use it for shizuku, which could work rootless via adb but would be some effort to maintain like that, while for me it's been chugging away for years by itself.
had it on my tablet uninstalled that shit so fast
F-Droid is not included for this time.
How-To:
- Open Developer Options and select Apps from unverified developers.
- Turn on Allow apps from unverified developers.
- Authenticate using your screen lock.
- Confirm that nobody is pressuring you to change the setting.
- Restart your phone and wait 24 hours.
- Return to the setting and choose whether to allow apps from unverified developers for seven days or indefinitely.
Source:
https://www.androidauthority.com/google-android-advanced-flow-sideloading-rollout-begins-3700073/
https://www.pocket-lint.com/android-new-sideloading-option/
After going through both my Galaxy 24U and Pixel Tablet initially, I wasn't seeing the option (was looking for the old "Install from unknown sources" which is in a different location (and per app toggles). I went back and manually disabled and enabled the "Android Developer Verifier" app and then saw the option for "Apps from unverified developers" show up. Then was able to follow the steps (very glad you provided that second source which is what led me to what I did).
So I guess if you don't see it. First search in your apps that the verifier app is present. If it is, then go into the app info for it and toggle disable and then enable. Willing to accept that maybe I was just blind to it due to the old way of sideloading that made me miss it in Developer Options. But for sure saw it after the toggles. Now I just need to remember to go back tomorrow to set the "indefinitely" option. Curious if this will allow Play Protect to not try to yeet apps if PP is turned back on. I had to turn it off a couple months ago because it kept flagging SyncThing-Fork installed from F-Droid trying to trick me into uninstalling it (which was weird that was the only app it freaked out about out of all the third-party store and Obtainium apps).
That's some pretty big hurdles to be honest, just a reminder of how sketchy Google is these days.
Less issue for me than Apple lol.
You can always (for now) go to LineageOS or GrapheneOS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Every shift away from open Android that users accept emboldens Google to lock it down further.
Update: Interestingly, since it is still classed as a User app, I can uninstall it myself without any special perms. The installation source is shown as Google Play Store, and you can manually find the app on the store.
Here's a screenshot of that - though it has no ratings, reviews, options to review etc. that you would expect from ordinary or even other Google produced apps.

I can find it there, but only uninstall updates. Guess it's ADB time.
Next phone will be a serious attempt at a linux phone.
At this time it is currently better to go with a custom Android ROM. Linux phones are currently have almost 0 security. I say almost 0 because postmarketos does support LUKS encryption, but only on some devices, and pmos uses an "upstream kernel" update model for devices, so a lot of the drivers for supported phones are not fully complete.
None of them have sandboxing, or measured boot, and excluding postmarketos, none of them get driver level security updates either.
On my pixel 10, I see this app is installed with only the option to disable, not uninstall.
Block it, them spam your manufacturer with support requests. Make it their problem.
Weird, I could uninstall it (and the key verifier one too), and so I did. Yeah, this is definitely not going to come back to bite me in the ass
EDIT: OnePlus Open, I haven't unlocked bootloader or rooted it.
Been using my pixel 6, according to the app list it has been "used since Aug 13" I cannot archive(greyed out), disable says (get this) "It came preinstalled on my device" funny since I've been using this device for years and by its own account was just installed aug 13
I only had the option to disable and uninstall updates
No idea where you are nor which phone you have, but maybe it's time to install an Android alternative OS (not sure what to call it) like GrapheneOS, LineageOS, or eOS. From what I understand they don't allow this kind of shit.
Easier said than done, especially as there are more models that don't have any sort of support for those OSs than models that do. Not to mention the hassle to even enable the option to flash it and risk of bricking. Worse, banking apps may refuse to work.
Google and the OEMs never wanted you to own your phone and they are mostly winning on that front.
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