The rest of NATO really needs to form an inner circle that excludes America. We're a massive liability to the organization.
They could call the select group "NATO Gold". Being excluded from a select organization that has the word 'gold' in its name would really piss Trump off.
You think they don't already?
The difference is that it doesn't have a big flashy public name. It will be an informal network of diplomats and knowledgeable command staff.
Yup. The smart move is to do this without Trump knowing you're doing it. There is still a significant amount of dependence on the US defense industrial complex in a lot of NATO, so it would be a big gap if the rest of NATO was openly telling the US to go fuck itself (as satisfying as that would be). It makes more sense to quietly transition from US dependence over time.
Didn't we already do that, I remember there being a secret meeting of the leaders of most European countries that the US wasn't invited to, where they supposedly discussed future defense as the US grows unreliable
Not only outside of NATO, but also inside the other countries are starting to fill the vacuum left by the US. The importance of the US to NATO has severely diminished in the past 2 years and this process is accelerating. I have even heard rumblings of the US getting kicked out (eventually) of NATO if they continue being unreliable. At a minimum there is a serious realignment ongoing.
But yes, post-NATO security frameworks are being openly and secretly discussed in Europe and with its democratic non-US allies.
Yeah, but they keep it quiet. The fastest Trump retreats the harder it is to switch so they'll send in Rutte for some serious brown-nosing while buying, producing and setting up their own non US weapons and systems. Besides, everybody could see very well how much USA's protection is worth in the Straight of Hormuz. Meanwhile Trump starts to notice how much he gets done without allies.
Fuck off and die you fat megalomniac pedophile rapist cunt. The united snakes can suck cock in Hell.
This reads like poetry The kind of visceral anger that I wish the American people would unify and express against their own leadership
You mean the country that has pissed away all of its weaponry and is currently losing a war of choice against an enemy that is, generously speaking, a 10th of its strength?
Yeah, NATO's gonna be sad to lose it.
This is a perfect example of conservative MAGA values. They want a heirarchy system where the chosen people at the top are given special privileges and are effectively above the law. This is what .makes MAGA so foreign and hard to understand for so many people.
Know your enemy.
Hey so, I serve in a NATO military. Here is my statement:
Fuck Trump, fuck anyone that supports him and fuck those that allowed the USA to get this shite. Any American that opposes him, I will buy you a drink.
Huzzah!! 🍻
Not even a big drinker, but if we could, it would mean our borders weren't so terrifying, and maybe we were a free people.
Here's to the dream, brother.
And thank you for your service...in opposition to petty, worthless mobster tyrants like ours.
I hope all our former allies realize that there's NOTHING they can do to restore that protection during the reign of Clown King. No amount of licking his orange balls will work. They must turn away from us and move on as quickly as possible.
Why? Because he spoke in front of the UN general assembly on September 25 2018 and they laughed at him. If you think that's just too stupid an explanation, if you think he can't possibly be that insecure and petty, finish your nap before you reply.
A normal person would feel that humiliation and go through a cycle of emotion, maybe including an initial anger, but would ultimately self-reflect, conclude those world leaders can't all be wrong, and strive to improve. He's not capable.
But why does he keep making up with the dictators of the world after very public spats? Because they've never publicly laughed at him.
His insecurity is paired with a deep feeling of inferiority to all the worlds' leaders. When Kim, Putin, Xi, etc. fight with him, they lower themselves to his level, so even though they're fighting, he feels like they think of him as a peer. When someone laughs at him, he knows that they don't respect him. He knows they can see through his preposterous facade. He can't pretend they don't, like he can with the dictators.
No imminent geopolitical reality exists that will snap him out of it. No amount of his rivals debasing themselves will unring that bell. No protection "deal" will ever be honored because the sting of humiliation can't be salved with signatures.
I hope Americans realize Trump and the GOP have changed America's relationship with the world, forever. There is no going back.
Ah yes, the hallmark of sophisticated management: everyone has to express an appropriate level of support for all decisions, especially bad ones.
My lord Trump, you wear the biggest of diapers and your shits are the smelliest in the whole entire world!
NATO is weaker with America in it. It is best if they kick out America and continue on, sooner than later. America is just gonna backstab NATO before Trump's term runs dry, assuming he doesn't kick off an 2nd American War.
In the case of a civil war, NATO would probably support the ReUnion against the Neo Confederates. Because, bluntly, an Dogey America is simply evil and cannot be ever be a good partner for any decent nation. Putting down a rabid dog would be prudent, rather than letting it wander free to bite nations at random.
pathetic...
They should assume they already lost US protection. What's happening in the Strait of Hormuz shows how much it actually is worth. This is a geopolitical tactic as old as time, they don't have the capacity and are losing ground so they have to see who grovels so they can find their next mark, but NATO is already losing US protection given how much they've signaled it - although it's not like right now it's anything but symbolic.
Where is the line? When do we stop this nonsense?
Ummmm, like way back there. This is now ride or die levels of stupid and terrible.
What the fuck is going on here? The next Democratic administration isn't going to be able to do anything that they're campaigning on because they'll have their hands full fixing the mess this one is leaving.
Sounds like the plan is working, unfortunately.
braise him. to an internal temperature of at least 165°f to ensure no bacteria survives
Starting to doubt if America can even defend itself after depleting missiles against Iraq and attacking fishermen in the gulf. Someone just go for it already! Trump will have to live with the shame of being one of the few presidents that had a foreign power attack the US.
so he's just openly running a racketeering ring now and nato has its thumbs up its butt?
Authoritarianism is an admission of abject weakness.
White supremacists are the weakest and most brittle snowflakes.
Trump loves to bully America's allies.
USA needs to be thrown out of NATO.
But that's probably what Putin wants, and he has ordered Trump to be impossible in NATO to create a breakup.
Unfortunately the Americans are doing effectively nothing to stop him, so we can't trust USA anymore.
There is a turkish saying "Until you cross the bridge, call the bear dear.", which is exactly how every NATO country would play along.
He wants you to break up with him.
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