That's the problem with stupid people. When there's a crisis and people solve it they just go "see there wasn't a serious crisis", and next time they go "nothing happened last time, it's exaggerated"
You are only allowed to fix things if you don't tell people you are fixing them and most critically don't tell them what it will cost. The problem occurs when someone aware and nefarious seeks power they can point out all the 'expensive and worthless' things that were done by their opponents. We now all live in 'the problem occurs' time period.
ignorant*
Same thing with acid rain. Remember acid rain? When was the last time you heard someone fear mongering about acid rain? Doesn't really happen anymore, because we passed policies reducing the sulfur content in highway and maritime fuels. Less sulfur being emitted into the atmosphere means less sulfuric acid is formed in clouds meaning the rain is less acidic. We did it.
only recently with maritime fuels and these are still used iirc. the big deal was removal of sulfur dioxide from coal powerplant exhaust by scrubbing it with chalk suspension (which also gives a lot of cheap gypsum) removal of sulfur from gasoline and diesel is technically easier but also there's a technical reason because sulfur poisons catalysts used to turn shitty gasoline into slightly better gasoline
Also also corporations fought the science for about a decade until safer alternatives were developed.
Proof that corporations will fuck over the entire planet and its entire population and all the animals and plant life just to make mOnEy during their lifetime. Selfish as FUCK.
These people NEVER give up their power unless it is taken from them or they cease to exist.
It isn't even about the money, it's about the power and the game. They're addicted to the pursuit of power and corporate structures feed that addiction.
Yeah they don't give a shit about money, they just need to win and everybody else needs to lose.
And don’t forget that Tetraethyl Lead was only used as an anti-knock agent because the GM wasn’t able to patent and monetise Benzene.
not because of that, making BTX takes heat and that means burning something else for heat. TEL is cheaper
Also also also the same corporations changed process to make new stuff and change didn't require them to go out of business. i can elaborate if anyone wants to
Also the hole is still there, but it's slowly healing now instead of getting worse.
I thought someone shot Matt Walsh in the neck? Oh wait it was the other guy identical to him in every aspect that matters
Matt Walsh is an unserious goon at best, an actual moron at worst.
But the reason that this sort of anti-science propaganda might actually work on well- intended people is because we don't advertise our major successes anymore. Or rather, we never really did advertise them enough, but as those successes became less visible compared to, say, a polio vaccine, just as it took scientists to inform us of the problem, they need to inform us of wins too.
When I was a kid in the 90s, we had a lot of alarm bells going off about the Ozone Layer, about acid rains, and climate change (termed "global warming" then). None of these were particularly visible problems to most people. Each of these became massively politicized, but the fix for the first 2 was a relatively narrow remedy: find and implement replacements for hydroflourocarbons through environmental regulations, and cut mainly two compounds, sulfer dioxide and nitrogen oxides, from fossil fuel power plant emissions through cap and trade regulation policies and smokestack scrubbers. And it worked quite well, to the point that the ozone layer is repairing, as are ecosystems previously ravaged by acid rains.
But scientists and the media never advertised that success nearly enough. Honestly we should have been politicizing that success, even, as much as we did the problems. Now it just seems to most like the problem quietly got forgotten like it never really mattered, rather than that it was a massive problem and we fucking fixed it through science, regulation and international cooperation. And that apparent disappearance of the problem without any noticeable change for the average Joe, and the resulting skepticism that it was ever a problem at all, has infected the one ongoing problem, the biggest and most complex of the problems, climate change.
Yeah?
But what about Y2K? All those programmers and companies stressed over it and nothing happened! /s
Yeah.
This is like when people bitch and complain about a pothole and suddenly when the pothole is fixed? Silence.
/S
That's the problem when you live in an information bubble. I clearly remember reports about the ozon layer starting regenerating.
Why do idiots and ignorants still have that much influence? That's the real mystery!
Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer 1985 Am I a joke to you?
Yes, since it did not work as well. It was proto good. A hipster of a convention that needed a follow up by a real Canadian one, with teeth and brawn and chiseled good looks.
This phenomenon is a flaw in broad (group) human reasoning, and it needs a name so that we can stop the generational backslide that comes from new people coming along and undoing all progress.
Hollywood has really geared us for the trope of “You can’t stop Phase 1”. Act 1, the hero tells the world about an impending supervillain. No one believes him. Act 2, the supervillain arrives and takes over the world, their rampage unstopped and made totally evident to all. Act 3, the hero comes up with an alternate plan that can be engineered in a day to defeat the villain after their arrival.
Also called "We can't close the beach for some sharks, it's peak season"
Same thing happened with vaccines.
I had to learn about this stuff to get my refrigerant certification. If you want to claim that CFCs aren’t that big of a deal then you are a fucking dumbass.
1 atom of chlorine can destroy 100,000 atoms of ozone. For every 1 part of chlorine that enters the atmosphere 100,000 times that amount of ozone is destroyed. Not only that, it also absorbs and traps infrared and other types of radiation heat and stops it from escaping the atmosphere. That is just one of the elements in CFCs and they all do severe levels of damage, they aren’t very stable so they break down easy and ever atom of its compound gets to interact to it’s full effect. Shit’s really bad.
i think i'm qualified as a chemist
as far as ozone goes, CFCs are bad, HCFCs are less bad but still bad, bromine is even worse, iodine would be worse than bromine but also it's expensive and the only compound that would be slightly useful would be CF3I which decomposes very quickly. so we can actually maybe see it used in the future, because it's basically fine
as far as GHG potential goes, the thing that is important are C-F bonds, these bonds do the IR absorption, and how fast that thing decomposes. if you introduce weak bonds decomposition is faster, a lot. C-F bonds are very strong, C-Cl a bit less but we don't want to do that. C-H are okayish, any double bond is also weak. so this is why CFCs and PFCs are very bad, because they last very long. HFCs are a maybe, not good enough so some are getting phased out now, with less fluorine these get flammable too. and HFOs degrade fast, so they're basically fine but also are expensive
the more C-F bonds and the less C-H bonds we have the less flammable thing gets, but also more stable, and by the time things get flammable it just makes more sense to switch to hydrocarbons. there are some very niche mixes that would comply with GHG requirements and are nonflammable but very few people actually need it and maybe they'll get waivers anyway
Ever seen all the news about renewable power growing exponentially? No? It's because good news is boring and noone has agenda to propagate it.
We need to bring back bullying, but just for people like Matt Walsh
Matt Walsh could very well be a self-hating dyslexic individual who thought his condition was a personal failing and is taking out his hate on everyone.
Man different times. Imagine if this happened now.
Countries passing regulation for a common good? Sounds too woke for me!
There'd be lots more 80s hair to battle the woke ideal.
The orange idiot would still call it a hoax
Pretty sure he outright has. He also implied that his fucking building was air tight. Ya know I wonder if it hurts to be that fucking stupid.
Funny story too. They had a bounty system, you got paid for bringing in the cfc's to get rid of them. So manufacturers started quiet;y making it just to trade it in.
Do it will climate change - now.
Matt Walsh is a walking trashcan lid flapping in the wind.
Listening?! To scientists?!
There's still a hole, which is why NZ is melanoma capital of the world.
The ozone layer: maya hi, maya hu, maya ho, maya ha ha
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