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Broken feet, ripped-out hair and now a death sentence: the fate of twin sisters jailed over Iran protests (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] metermatic26@lemmy.world 45 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Experts warned in advance that a US-Iran war would actually radicalize the regime, break the protest movement and allow the regime to re-establish greater control over Iranian society.

And offcourse to everyone’s complete and astonishing surprise, the experts turned out to be right.

Its not just Trump either. Western media were reprehensibly ignorant of Iranian politics. Most popular media outlets ended up giving a centre stage to monarchist demagogues. You couldn’t even turn on the tv without seeing interviews with ‘Iranians’ calling on the US to bomb Iran, calling Netanyahu a great patron and calling the Europeans cowards for not stepping in.

The thing is, none of these people actually presented the popular opinions of actual Iranians, despite claiming they did. Most of them had never even even set foot in Iran. And those that had included those who’s families held positions in the regime of the Shah and thus fled the country over 40 years ago.

It’s like asking former Ba'athists what they think should be done in Iraq and them answering: the US should bomb the country and appoint the Husseins to help lead the ‘transition to democracy’.

What a joke…

[+] Viceversa@lemmy.world -7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Experts warned in advance that a US-Iran war would actually radicalize the regime

As if it wasn't radical before, since islamic takeover decades ago.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 3 hours ago

It was, but now it's even more so. Even the Iranian ruling class has internal divisions, and America's naked aggression has empowered the more aggressive faction (I wonder why). Also you say "Islamic takeover" but, like, what religion do you think most Iranians followed before 1979?

[-] Viceversa@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Also you say "Islamic takeover" but, like, what religion do you think most Iranians followed before 1979?

It wasn't theocracy before the takeover I'm thinking about.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah that's true, but "Islamic takeover" is quite a bit broader than that. If I was reading too much into it then my bad, but there's this idea on the internet that Iran was wholesome and secular before the Ayatollah showed up with their evil Islam (not to defend the Iranian regime obviously).

[-] Viceversa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

If outlets were to be believed, major cities like Tehran featured a cosmopolitan atmosphere with active café culture, Western fashion, and mixed-gender socialization.
Women gained the right to vote in 1963, pursued higher education in large numbers, and worked in professional fields like law, medicine, and government without any mandatory dress codes.

In contrast to the current situation IMO you can call that wholesome and secular.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 43 minutes ago

If outlets were to be believed, major cities like Tehran featured a cosmopolitan atmosphere with active café culture, Western fashion, and mixed-gender socialization.

And how much if anything did that change in the meantime? With a source please.

Women gained the right to vote in 1963, pursued higher education in large numbers, and worked in professional fields like law, medicine, and government without any mandatory dress codes.

Still do on all counts, dress code aside, though I have to question how important the right to vote is under either brutal dictatorship. For instance here's how the women's tertiary education graph looks like, noting that the Shah was overthrown in 1979. This is Iran, not Afghanistan. Also in general "modernity" under the Shah only penetrated into the upper class of society; ironically the vast majority of women saw more improvement in hallmarks of women's rights (education and such) under the Ayatollahs.

[-] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus -5 points 3 hours ago

It's times like these that i think about that scene in the first Iron Man movie when he went to Gulmira, the beat down was beautiful and we need that worldwide now more than ever, from Islamic countries to Pedomerica to Russia, it's time for all of them to go.

[-] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 1 points 16 minutes ago

Is this what Europeans really think? lol 😂

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

What a weird list.

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