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Georgia college student reportedly received a ticket from a cop after a Flock camera flagged her newly purchased vehicle as having no insurance when it did. According to a WSB-TV report, posted by podcast host Kacee Allen, the car has a temporary license plate, but the student presented a valid insurance card. Despite this, the officer reportedly still issued a citation. The incident reportedly happened twice, and the student now has to defend herself in court

According to the news report, the database that Flock cameras rely on was yet to be updated. This caused the system to falsely flag the newly purchased vehicle.

Renee Jones, the student’s mother, said her daughter was doing everything required of her. This included maintaining insurance and carrying proof of coverage.

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[-] Quexotic@infosec.pub 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Also its a DWB, but with flock... Nice.

At least the upcoming lawsuit should pay for college.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

being black was absolutely the real crime the cop was concerned with, the insurance bullshit was just manufactured cause.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago

Figures. I had the assumption the moment I read this happened in Georgia.

[-] apftwb@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

To continue, please select all the squares that contain a gun:

black men holding wallets

People named Renee better join the revolution now.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 40 points 9 hours ago

Honestly she should sue for malicious prosecution. She was driving the vehicle legally with insurance, she proved that to the officer by showing her paperwork, and then, knowing that she had insurance and the complaint was baseless, the officer wrote the ticket anyway.

This should be an open and shut case.

[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 12 hours ago

Too bad there's not malpractice but for cops

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

There is, kinda. It's called the "Brady List" and kinda almost can do the same thing.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago

Do they refer to those on that list as the Brady Bunch?

[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Seems to not do it most of the time

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 87 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Was she black?

Edit: yup, she was black. I hope the officer suddenly runs out of blood soon.

[-] mysticalone@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago

that was my first question seeing the headline. shame on flock and the officer

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago

Look, I'm not saying that I support these Big Brother-type companies, but if the cop is just gonna follow the instructions on their computer and not even think for themselves, then we should cut out the middleman. Flock should send tickets directly to offenders. You're far less likely to get shot that way.

<s>
What recourse could an AI company possibly have over someone? Negative social credits.
Run a stop sign? Social credit goes down. Rob a Walmart? Social credit goes down. Murder someone? Social credit goes down, but more. Safely follow all road laws? Fuck you, this counter only goes down. Have low social credit? Believe it or not, social credit goes down.

How do we use these social credits to keep society in line? Public registry. Look up why anyone has their social credit score. Filter by thefts at Walmart and buy those people beers.
</s>

But seriously. If the Justice system is willing to automate and outsource police work, then get those fucking cops off the streets.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago

You're far less likely to get shot that way

Well... Until they start putting guns in the cameras anyway.

[-] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Actually, a number of governments have contracted with private companies to handle certain policing duties like tolls or parking enforcement. Those companies then basically get all the rights of the government. I believe that it was NY City that was having a serious problem with parking enforcement stealing (impounding vehicles) and putting tickets on legally parked vehicles (about 10yrs ago) just to bump their profits.

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 4 points 8 hours ago

Also just hand the guns to the AI as well.

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

That sounds like a feature outside of the agreed set. As a compromise, the UI can have access to the device speaker and its LLM can shout "BANG" at random intervals.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 116 points 22 hours ago

I’m struggling to process how the fuck that cop could still write a ticket after seeing a valid proof of insurance. The sheer arrogance is ridiculous

[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Hope this diagram of cop programming helps:

copGPT thinking...

1    [BE A BASTARD?]                    
2       /     \                                        
3      /       \                                       
4     NO       [YES]-------[BEAT WIFE?]  
5                             /  \                     
6                            /    \                    
7                          NO    [YES] [return to line 1]
            
[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 26 points 16 hours ago

I've seen other examples of this in bodycam videos from Georgia on YouTube where Flock wasn't involved at all. The cops claimed that they only go by what their computers say regardless of whether the person has proof of insurance on hand. In one notable example, a cop stopped an elderly couple at around midnight for the same reason, ignored their proof of insurance, and left them stranded on the side of the road after towing their car. The husband was disabled and couldn't walk.

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

It's not just Georgia

[-] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 91 points 21 hours ago

There's an infamous video of a cop who tickets an amputee for holding a cellphone in her non existent hand. He triples down in the video that she had the phone specifically in her missing hand WHILE she is holding up the stump and laughing at him. She of course disputed it, agency stupidly stood by their braindead officer until it got to court when suddenly the cop begged for the entire thing to be dropped, after proceedings had started, wasting everyone's time and taxpayer dollars.

They are so used to never being questioned, and having zero consequences when they are because of qualified immunity, that their brains are incapable of processing that they are fucking up something incredibly simple.

[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago

We need to have laws where if cases are dismissed or dropped the citing/arresting officer facing penalties.

[-] klugerama@lemmy.world 42 points 18 hours ago

after proceedings had started, wasting everyone's time and taxpayer dollars.

That was the point - that is, that's why the cop didn't just walk away. He knew he was wrong, but she embarrassed him. He knew that he could just force the issue right up to the last minute, and there would be no consequences for him. Major hassle and inconvenience for her, but he still gets paid and there's almost certainly no negative repercussions for him.

He was deliberately making life more difficult for her, because his feelings were hurt. It wasn't out of ignorance, it was out of childish malice.

[-] Manjushri@piefed.social 19 points 16 hours ago

Plus there is probably some percentage of people who will just pay a fine rather than losing time at work to go to trial. That may have been what he was hoping for.

[-] Teknikal@anarchist.nexus 15 points 17 hours ago

Seen one where the cop decided a Blind man's white cane was a weapon as well. There's probably even worse going on that doesn't make the Internet.

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 19 hours ago

We're pretty close to the anniversary of the events that ended up in the creation of the "qualified immunity" doctrine which was September 13, 1961. The case involves the civil rights movement, 15 priests, Mississippi, and law enforcement overreach. It's a good read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierson_v._Ray

[-] Elgenzay@lemmy.ml 51 points 21 hours ago

Apparently they can write tickets for things that are objectively false. There's bodycam footage of cop giving a ticket to a woman a few months ago for using her phone while driving. He said "with your right hand" before she showed him that she doesn't have a right hand. Gave her a ticket anyway

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 4 points 2 hours ago

That chick was the perfect level of petty! Video cracks me up every time.

"Soo.... We just gonna call it here, or...?"

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

That's a funny way of spelling "sheer ignorance"

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 22 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

It's that thing where your brain locks in on your first understanding of a situation and it's harder to change after that point. Cops, being morons, are extra susceptible to it.

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[-] xthexder@l.sw0.com 59 points 20 hours ago

What's crazy to me is how this insurance database lookup even makes sense... Most insurance companies give you a grace period to add new vehicles if you have an existing policy. For mine in Washington, I have 14 days to tell my insurance if I've bought a new car, and it's covered under my existing policy until then. Flock would have no way of looking up this information and has no justification to flag a vehicle like this...

[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago

What's crazy to me is that someone, somewhere thought big brother was necessary for enforcing car insurance at all.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 14 points 16 hours ago

Bold of you to assume cops use logic

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 162 points 23 hours ago

In a just world, the officer, the police department, and Flock would all owe her compensation. I'd put the amount at about 10x the fine for the offense.

[-] Melobol@lemmy.ml 32 points 22 hours ago

The problem is that any fees cops get for doing stuff coming out of tax money.
In a way I understand why, but it just bullshit at the end of day.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 59 points 21 hours ago

A proposal I've seen floated a few times is to require police to carry liability insurance individually and give them a stipend for an average/reasonable amount. This is usually paired with changes to qualified immunity to make lawsuits and insurance claims easier.

The idea is that risky behavior from police costs them money personally.

[-] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago

Fuck the stipend. They'll abuse that too.

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[-] boaratio@lemmy.world 31 points 19 hours ago

ACAB as usual.

[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 64 points 23 hours ago

So I had a suspicion, and yup, this was another ticket for DWB. Flock was just the excuse du jour.

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[-] yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 day ago

The police officer did the right thing. As we all know, computers are always right /s

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[-] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 36 points 23 hours ago

If the cameras are sending cops after non-existent crimes, how are they helping with efficiency or cost?

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