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[-] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

It's also legal to give someone money after the fact for a job well done, and it's definitely not a bribe.

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 hours ago

From June 26 2024:

The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that a federal anti-bribery law does not make it a crime for state and local officials to accept a gratuity for acts that they have already taken.

[-] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

We live in the stupidest timeline.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago

Well he did make it so tha tnothing he does in office is illegal, even if it’s illegal.

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 5 points 5 hours ago

In many countries it is legal to promise a tax rebate when you are in office. Many cons (oops, I mean conservatives) use this as voting bait for people with no critical thinking skills, and then turn around and give their corporate masters and billionaires huge tax cuts that make those same voters loose critical services that makw them pay out of pocket.

In other words, "Heres $200 to vote for me so i can make your life way more expensive on a yearly basis through medical care, less regulation, less infrastructure repair".

This is the same grift, but more blatant and obviously something that would never get fulfilled, which is why the number is so big. Bigger numbers make critical thinking fail harder, especially when times are economically tough. It tends to get cons reelected even when they are not doing well in polls, speaking from the Canadian experience in this.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago

Step 1: Have money.

Step 2: Rape children (and adults).

Step 3: Put an "R" next to your name.

Congrats, you are now immune from consequences.

[-] Malica@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 hours ago

Law means nothing in a coup

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 38 points 11 hours ago

They won't even let you stand outside a polling place and hand out water bottles to people waiting in line.

[-] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

If you're a Dem. Saw Maga groups outside our local voting polls last election. They were cooking and handing out water.

[-] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 20 points 13 hours ago

The law only matters to us poor folks. It isn't applied to the rich.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 23 points 16 hours ago

If no one prosecuted you for it, it might as well be.

[-] thatOneGuy@aussie.zone 22 points 17 hours ago

Technically, the equivalent would be you standing outside a polling place with a sign saying “I will give every adult in the area $500 if Candidate X wins”.

Ostensibly, you could just be lying (just like Trump) - and that would probably be covered under your 1st Amendment rights.

It’s stupid, but there is enough of a disconnect between action and reward that it might skirt past.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 33 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

No, that's not how that works.

18 U.S.C. § 597 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure § 597.

Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and

Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

[-] elDalvini@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 8 hours ago

"I will give you money if you vote for me"

Is different from

"I will give everyone money if I win"

The first is paying someone to vote and is outlawed by the law you cited. The second has a disconnect between the money and the vote. Everyone gets the money, even those that voted for the other guy. Thus it might be legal.

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate;

"I will give everyone money if I win" is offering money to people for voting. Voting for the candidate is implied, yes, but offering to pay everyone is still offering money to people for voting.

[-] captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Sounds to me like this has to be tried in court (unless it has not already) for a legal president to be made, and thus decided if it is legal or not. IANAL

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago

Oh I'm REALLY playing devil's advocate on this one

Promising everyone, no exceptions, 5k if you win, is kind of a campaign promise rather than a bribe.

I'm going to shower for 2 hours to get the stench off me now

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 14 points 17 hours ago

That seems pretty straightforward. So the law is correct, it's just useless because the system founded on these laws is broken.

I didn't realize Ayn Rand's ghost had a lemmy account.

This isn't broken at all. Unless you think every form of government social spending should be illegal, then you shouldn't try to make it a felony for politicians to run for office promising to establish government programs or give people money through acts of Congress. You're advocating for full on libertarianism.

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[-] Naive@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

Welcome to America

[-] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago
[-] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 35 points 23 hours ago

It's very different. One is "I will give YOU money if you vote for me" and the other is "I will give EVERYONE money if I win". The main difference is that one is not discriminating against who people voted for. The first is buying votes, the second is a campaign similar to "I will retroactively lower taxes for this year if I win", which I don't think anyone would see as problematic but it's exactly the same outcome as the one you're finding problem with, i.e. give people money.

It's a stupid campaign because anyone with half a brain understand that he's not going to do it and that that money would have to come from someplace else, but it's still a campaign promise similar to any other promise politicians make to ask you to vote for them.

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 13 points 19 hours ago

do you have supreme court immunity?

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