After the referendum, Alberta will be angrier, more divided, more radicalized, and a worse place to invest - Alberta Politics (albertapolitics.ca)

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"Whatever happens on Oct. 19, the United Conservative Party of Premier Danielle Smith will have left Alberta a worse place than it was before the 10 referenda scheduled to be voted on that day..."

by David Climenhaga

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Quebec referendums caused a corporate exodus from the province due to the uncertainly.

I fully expect the same to happen in Alberta unless the referendum delivers an overwhelming STFU result to the separatists.

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Unless the questions have changed, they're super leading to the point where an average person with no desire to separate could accidentally vote in favour on at least a few parts.

[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

considering the province keeps hiding the results of preliminary votes on the matter, it likely will.

[-] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

But did they? Which companies left Quebec for another province?

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

But did they?

Yes

https://montrealgazette.com/news/gloomier-times-head-offices-migrated/

https://www.upi.com/amp/Archives/1982/04/01/The-continuing-exodus-of-corporate-head-offices-from-Montreal/6917386485200/

And it's not only Quebec that suffered from corporate migration due to seperatism:

https://www.arabnews.com/world/flight-of-head-offices-from-catalonia-quebec-went-through-it-1175901

[-] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Let's go through them.

Being part of two major corporate moves I can tell you no company decides in 3 weeks they are moving their head office. It takes months, sometimes years of planning. Canadian Pacific had this on the radar for a long time. "...the move had nothing to do with politics or language..."
UPI announced leaving Quebec in 1982, but the separation referendum occured in 1995. Are you suggesting they moved their head office 13 years BEFORE the referundum proactively? The logic doesn't work.
This is just bad journalism saying Catalonia experieced something similar to Quebec, without saying what happened in Quebec.

Have companies left Quebec? Absolutely. But it is more for the draconian forced French language requrements in business than because of the referendum.

[-] mHtt@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

this is like expecting an abusing partner to change,

fuck the corpos whose loyalty lies outside of Canada.

Canadians will create new corpos and keep the $ here.

SERIOUSLY LET THEM FUCKING LEAVE.

[-] RadiallyAxiomatic@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Alberta is a province of the haves. It's got a great economy and great paying jobs for medium and low education needed for entry.

The whinging about being in a great situation and having the priviledge of providing a bare pittance of help to our fellow canadians, or foreigners who'd love to join us in our high seat, is unbelievable.

Could things be better? Sure! Can we all agree on what that might look like? Probably not. Could people stop being so easily manipulated by people who do not have their interests at heart? God, I hope so(also probably not).

[-] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Was a province of haves

Isn’t anymore. Wages haven’t risen in a decade and now this province is behind the others. Government has transferred ownership of public assets to a small hand chosen group in the private sector, and they are currently breaking and defunding the last two great spends: education and health care.

This province is a dead stick. And we all have only ourselves to blame.

[+] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 month ago

It's up to Carney to show Alberta that Canada works. This threatened referendum and separatist movement is entirely on Trudeau.

[-] DrinkMonkey@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yet Trudeau actually built a pipeline to tidewater (unlike Harper and his cabinet minister Kenney). That the bottom briefly fell out of the Alberta bumper sticker market, only to be reinCarney-ated before he even did anything is a clear indication of the tribal nature of voting culture and behaviour. Alberta is not unique, but is the strongest example in Canada.

[-] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Kinder Morgan were the original owners of the pipeline. After over a decade of legal battles and never ending studies they walked away from the project. Trudeau's bill C-69 was widely viewed as the 'no pipelines' bill. Pipeline was sold to Govt of Canada for $4.7B with an estimated cost of $5.4B to complete.. The actual cost to complete the TransMountain pipline was $34B. That is kind of crazy.

Now Carney's job is to convince private corporations it is safe and worthwhile to invest in the energy industry again. We will see if it happens.

[-] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

It's takes like this that spur Albertan separatism.

[-] DrinkMonkey@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

You’re going to have to explain how “Trudeau built a pipeline to Canadian tidewater and Harper didn’t” foments separatism because I am not following. It’s literally a pipe to counteract dependence on the US Midwest market that only deepened under Harper.

[-] blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

"They said that we're going to hate a Liberal just for being a Liberal! That's it, we're seceding!"

Some real bright bulbs going off there, huh.

[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

and he killed another pipe line we were building to pocket a foreign oil arbitrage knowing it would pop up when it happened, fuck him.

[-] DrinkMonkey@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

…but are upset he didn’t build 2. Got it.

[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not talking about harper, your assuming I'm a conservative when I voted for carney, and your excusing corruption on top of that. go back to reddit if your going to be a know it all you little tribalist.

[-] DrinkMonkey@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I make no such assumption - I’m pushing back against the narrative that Trudeau is to blame for Alberta separatism, which doesn’t survive inspection. He is a convenient scapegoat of course - the bumper stickers are everywhere to prove it. But on the pipeline front, Harper fumbled Northern Gateway, while Trudeau built Trans Mountain. TransCanada killed Energy East because oil collapsed from $100 to $50, though this in turn freed up capital for Keystone XL (we could only afford one, and Harper’s and Kenney’s infamous line about not picking winners and losers meant paralysis around any new tidewater pipes and further reliance on the US Midwest market). But Biden killed Keystone, not Trudeau. My point is that hanging this on Trudeau is convenient and in service of Alberta Exceptionalism and feeds the conservative narrative of unfair treatment and longstanding strategy of blaming Ottawa for everything. This culture of externalizing blame is the real cause. And Jim Prentice tried to warn everyone.

[-] blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Bullshit, this is the result of decades of intense right wing propaganda in the Province. It's been peddling this kind of thing since the 80s, it's only that it got legitimized by various conservative parties across the country going off the rails in the past decade and crossing into Republican far right territory because they all thought that was a winning strategy.

There is nothing Trudeau could have done to stop this because they were always going to invent nonsense to go down this path, the same way the Convoy was launched based on half-truths and whole lies and was completely disingenuous all the way through.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Yah sure it is. You have a fantasy about Trudeau and post it on your truck right.

[-] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

Carney drives it around. You still think Trudeau was good for Canada? Unbelievable.

[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

These people are disengenuous about their arguments, they keep bringing up con politics when Iv not brought them up, they think they're above it when their just as tribal as many cons.

[-] blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When you're parroting the exact same anti-Trudeau conspiracy talking points as the pro-separatist here to the point that you're lovebombing him, what do you expect? This is the guy who thinks pointing out how far right morons printed Fuck Carney bumper stickers immediately after he got the party nomination without looking into him at all is grounds to want to secede from the nation.

There's a lot of reasons to criticize Trudeau but you guys are specifically on the misinformation end of it.

[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

It's not a conspericy, he vary clearly did those things, cope and seath

[-] blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Where's the coping and seething? You're the one still mad about Trudeau for things that didn't happen years later and know you have no sources or citations for except UCP Facebook pages.

Don't use terms you don't know the meaning of just because you saw them used in other comments.

[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It clearly bothers you, that's evident based on your responces and the fact your still hanging around. what desgusts me is the rose tinted glasses you all have on after we collectively forced him to resign, like everyone forgot he manage to achieve a lower popularity rating then harper somehow.

[-] blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I like calling out people who spread misinformation publicly. These comments last for all to read.

It's not nostalgia to point out that all your citations and sources could only be right wing misinformation. Again, don't use terms you don't know the meaning of.

[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i voted for carney, Trudeau did horrible damage to this nation, he was a corrupt pos that killed our pipeline while pocketing foreign oil stocks knowing they would profit and destroying our young workers chances at entry level work with rampant never before seen immigration of low level labor.

[-] DrinkMonkey@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Hang on, Smith ran both the “Alberta is Calling” campaign, and proposed a population of 10 million by 2050 in her 2023 throne speech. At least Kenny’s approach was rural focussed and a modest 10,000/yr. And Trudeau actually built a tidewater pipeline, something Harper never did. I’m no fan of Trudeau’s, but judge him on his actions, not talking points.

[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Your going on about these concervative dirt bags like I give a shit about them and dodging the wrong doings Justin made, I am judging him for his acts, I just listed 2 of them. Those were two thing he did I don't care about oil politics I card about corruption and Justin was a terrible offender. Stop assuming I'm a concervative.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Trudeau is younger than me, and I was a kid when I first heard about Western Canada Concept.

[-] BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Separtists are whiny bitches

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