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Third Places (en.wikipedia.org)
submitted 3 weeks ago by snoons@lemmy.ca to c/wikipedia@lemmy.world

cross-posted from: https://piefed.ca/c/newbrunswick@lemmy.ca/p/981650/third-places

Any recommendations for free or inexpensive place? > > Places I can think of: > > Coffee shops > Breweries and pubs > Libraries > Parks > Small scale music concerts > Axe throwing > Malls > University campuses

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[-] Eq0@literature.cafe 16 points 3 weeks ago

Parcs are a good one!

Depending on where you are, you might be able to add: sport associations, church yards, museums.

I like how you added University campuses, because I think most universities understood quite well that students need sons chill spaces to socialize and relax. Unfortunately, the rest of the world has mostly been eroding those places and aim to turn a profit out of them.

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Are there museums people regularly go to and just chill and chat? I've never seen that.

[-] abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago

Ray Oldenburg argues that third places are important for democracy, civic engagement, and a sense of place.

So that's why America is so hostile to third places!

[-] Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe I'm confused about the concept but it sounds like anything can be a third space? National Park, shooting range, center of a roundabout, random bench by the road...

[-] Jarme@jlai.lu 15 points 3 weeks ago

Indeed, as long as it fits this

One criteria for a third place, according to Jeffres et al. (2009), is that it "offers stress relief from the everyday demands of both home and work. It provides the feeling of inclusiveness and belonging associated with participating in a group's social activities, without the rigidity of policy or exclusiveness of club or organization membership".

[-] Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

In that case, I wouldn't know really. Drinking a coffee or a beer or something doesn't really make me feel "inclusiveness and belonging associated with participating in a group's social activities" — you're still alone, even if surround by others

[-] Jarme@jlai.lu 3 points 3 weeks ago

I see what you mean, but depending on the context, having drink alone can lead to unexpected social interactions.

I guess it's also a place where you can meet a friend(s) without the expectations that exist at work and at home. Lacking those places means lacking a space for social activities. What do you think ?

[-] Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

I used to drink alone a lot but that didn't lead to social interactions. I think it's a cultural thing, in most of Europe people wouldn't interact with strangers while there are other countries where you make friend by simply walking on the street

[-] naeap@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'm often on business trips and had nice talks with different kinds of people, when I was sitting at a bar alone

Depends on the country, but e.g. Netherlands, Italy, Portugal, Austria...

Norway was a bit isolating though

[-] Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

I once met a bunch of people in a bar in Australia when traveling with another Dutch guy who also said "this would never happen in the Netherlands", validating it's not just me.

Whereas Portuguese people would grab me off the street to invite me to join them.

So I guess I'm confused why you'd group Netherlands with more friendly and hospitable counties.

[-] naeap@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Really?

I had a customer in the Netherlands for years and was there on vacations as well
I'm always needing to adjust, because I find them so open and friendly

At least with Portugal we had the same experience :⁠-⁠)

France is quite hit or miss.
In my experience it's either one of the friendliest person I've ever met or a real asshole.
Seemingly nothing in between.

But maybe it's just relative to the culture we're coming from...

I'm from Austria and met some Afghans at a paintball tournament.
They showed me pictures of them afterwards, where they were standing in the desert with AKs, because of the war.
They had a real problem at first in Austria, because after a beer or two, it could be that they hug you while talking, whereas in their home region eye contact alone was enough to start a fight.

[-] Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Speaking of France.. I thought I'd have some drinks with a French friend there and I made a comment about how many people she spoke to. She thought that's normal, because why would you go to a bar otherwise? "Well, to get drunk?" She thought that was strange.

I suppose people traveling are always a little different though. I've traveled a lot and from Dutch people I always hear "I don't travel to meet other Dutch people"

[-] naeap@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Well, to be fair, I also don't travel to meet other Austrians

There was actually one exception though.
On one island of Cap Verde is an Austrian guy who made the best Rum there.
Had to hike to the distillery for like 2h up a little mountain.

Sadly can't remember the name anymore...

But regarding your french friend, I'm with her. I can get drunk more cheap alone at home.
Visiting bars means to have other people around.
Sometimes those are just silent drink buddies, with which you drink in silence.
But usually some discussion about whatever comes up

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

the problem wtih this is human beings eventually move towards rigidity of policy or exclusiveness.

i ran a third space for years. the issue was... everyone kept pushing us to become more rigid and exclusive.

people do not like open spaces, as in anyone can participate. they want barriers to entry and they want the space to affirm them and they don't want to be around diverse people who might challenge those affirmations.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 3 weeks ago

I would guess that even a chat room can be a third place.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Museums often have free days

[-] Capitanmaroon@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I wholely recommend climbing/bouldering walls. Gets you fitter, most people are super friendly and if you pick a regular day you'll meet people. Most of them do a intro to climbing course where you can meet people and then a beginners or intermediate weekly session where you can meet people and get some guidance on getting better

[-] 5gruel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

as someone who has been doing it for more than ten years, definitely try out bouldering. It's a great activity with very nice people.

however I'm not sure I would consider it a third place. it is usually quite expensive, and the people are there still primarily for climbing, not for conversation, at least not as main activity.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

it's not.

Also, I'd be more interested in climbing if people didn't try to convert you and act like it was a religion. People are so weirdly pushy about it. The demographics of who goes there is very exclusive, at least in my city. Because it's like 200-300/mo base fee, which means it almost all yuppies. I make over 100K and I think it's way too expensive, personally.

[-] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

They’re expensive though…

[-] Rokin@leminal.space 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Axe throwing is really out there! Concerts are difficult for a third place because they are not regular.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

That seems like chatting at the gym, with the same worries about all guys being seen as creepers. Chatting and "don't compare form for tips or ask for advice or offer advice or even make eye contact" (rules for white guys at gyms) don't mix well.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 6 points 3 weeks ago

Skate parks are good 3rd places.

Unlike other hobbies or sports, you don't necessarily need to be a member of a club, get expensive equipment or be on a specific time.

Lots of young people just hang out. There's a large overlap with various subcultures. If there's a group of skaters, they'll usually have a whole entourage of photographers, artists and musicians.

Sometimes it's a little too succesful though. Some skate parks are build in isolated areas, which can attract all kinds of scum. Then it's best to come when actual skaters are using it.

It's usually very inclusive. Nobody cares about age, gender, race or abilities. Skaters respect anyone who goes out there and tries. This is also why random scum will usually fuck off when they realize that nobody gives them attention for reving up their moped engines or whatever they do to piss off their territory.

[-] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

spoiler alert: You're in one.

[-] snoons@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

Arguably this is a "first place" since I almost always access it while at home.

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago

Do you discuss only with family members on Lemmy?

[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

According to the article, this is a Virtual Third Place. IMHO it's not the same as a physical place. I've lived in places where I had third places, and now I live in a place where I don't, and the difference is stark.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

The wealthy class (in business and government) actively work to destroy places like this because these are the places where low income folk assemble in larger numbers... Where they can discuss unionization, political dissonance and find common ground despite previously perceived differences.

[-] Artisian@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

From local data, most of my third places got beat-up by social media + covid.

[-] 5gruel@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Some friends and I started a community workshop 5years ago. what started as a purely functional arrangement has become a proper third place now: meet for conversation, no expectation to spend money, there's always someone already there.

Ofc getting enough ppl as critical mass is challenging, but I can only encourage you to create your own third place.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago
[-] snoons@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

Reminds me of a local group that set up an emergency response station for their community. Something I would love to do; however, when asked how everything was funded it turned it it was just one rich old dude that decided to set it up on a whim. Yet, they still tell people to set up their own groups in their communities... but obviously the one barrier to that is there isn't a rich person in every community that would be open to the idea.

Sure, we could crowdfund the equipment, but to do it properly would cost millions of dollars, mostly for electricians to set up solar panels and a direct line to the local grid to make sure everything's ready.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

yeah. people don't get the logistics, the liability, the legality.

if you start a third space, and there is an accident or incident, you're gonna get sued. you also have to pay rent, utilities, and usage fees that may be in your town/city. and now in the age of social media, you can expect to be harassed/mobbed/campaigned against if you upset the wrong person.

the problem with third space idealism is that everyone wants someone else to take on the burden of this stuff. and it's a burden. there isn't much direct benefit to people who are in charge of these spaces.

[-] 5gruel@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

are you asking for advice for your own place or as a gotcha? in any case, we're a core group of 16 people that split the rent. there are some events throughout the year that bring in some money for upkeep a bit.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

i'm asking as a legit question. rent where i live for any commercial space is several thousand dollars a month, so you need a sweetheart deal to be able to run any space, or a huge grant or some other big source of funding.

in my case our space was given to us free by someone as a evenings-only lease on on an space that was owned outright by a rich guy and he used us a tax write-off/donation to the tune of $3000/mo.

[-] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

One of the things I love about Vietnam is the use of public spaces and shared residential spaces for daily social interaction and informal gatherings.

[-] snoons@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In other words, "your third place is where you relax in public, where you encounter familiar faces and make new acquaintances."

The only place I can think of for me is a coffee shop, which costs money (and I can't go to anymore because I'm out of money). I also don't drink, so breweries and pubs are right out (as well as being hellah expensive even in 'normal' times). I'm as well not one for conversation, mostly just wanting to focus on whichever topic I'm studying at that moment.

Libraries are a good place too, but a lot of the time they also smell like body odour, dead skin and piss because housing has been commodified. Similarly I have to pack everything up and bring it with me if I want to use the bathroom, which are usually terrible experiences...

Parks would would be fine but there's always going to be noise pollution and pollution pollution from the ever-present combustion engine which makes it a quite uncomfortable and distracting for me (and sometimes downright unpleasant). As well, the weather is starting to get colder and wetter which means they'll be empty more often then not.

Small concerts and axe throwing... both cost money. Sometimes a lot of money. The axe throwing I've done cost a lot, and was just one activity to do in the arcade-like place. It was basically a restaurant with games. Concerts are also not really something I enjoy anymore.

Malls and university campuses can be great, but I'd also be remiss to leave anything on a table or something while using the bathroom, as well as all places like that being relatively far away and with malls in particular also suffering from the commodification of housing. I like going to the university, but it takes a long time to get there on my bike unless I have money for the bus.

All in all, the biggest issue for me is security. I want to simply use the bathroom or whatever without worrying that my stuff will be gone when I get back. I feel like I can do this in most cafés but doing so almost anywhere else would give me anxiety so I'm stuck with cafes that I can't afford.

*Essentially the ideal 'third-place', in my opinion, has to be free and secure. Both of these don't have to be mutually exclusive but it seems like it is, at least when society is administered by capitalistic authority structures.

[-] Sylence@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

This is a side-tangent from finding alternative third places (the motivation for which I fully support), but I always like to raise this when people bring up the concept: third places are not (and never really were) a thing. It was an ideal invented by a guy who had a very specific idea of what society should look like that was rooted in misogyny and patriarchy. We all should be seeking community, which is what I see in this thread, but from a planning perspective there are much better ways to think about organising our spaces than through the "third place".

Here's a very good video about it by someone far more qualified to talk about it if you want to know more: https://youtu.be/8E5MegoW2pA

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

For me, it's parks, and the street. I bring my children to play outside and I chat with neighbors and other parents.

[-] Artisian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Plenty of hiking trails and nature walks that I've lived near; these were free and pleasant.

Maybe redundant with university campuses: free museums (especially art and history).

I've found several game stores that host game-hours at off-peak times. These have all been free and quite pleasant.

I'll note that Malls may not work for youth anymore, I've seen a few that outright ban unaccompanied teens (which is a shame imo).

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 3 weeks ago

Is clubbing considered a "third place"? Me and my wife go clubbing at least twice at month, and we don't go to the same place every time, but to the same circle of DJs and producers and we recognize the people to go to the parties as us (and we know we are recognized by other people too), but we usually stay by ourselves and don't really talk with other people.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No. Clubs are exclusive and expensive typically.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 3 weeks ago

Not the ones we go. Like if a club or party have "dress code" we don't go. That shit is super classist and we want nothing with a place like that. We also go mainly to the underground scene, were there's usually NB and trans free list, and the prices are really cheap (we never pay more than 10us for tickets). There's only one party that is really expensive, like 20 or 30us, but they have, on top of the NB and trans list, social list for people that can't pay.

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago

How would op go about finding such places/people/circles?

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