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Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Gaozu_of_Han#Insurrection_against_the_Qin_dynasty

Liu was responsible for escorting a group of penal labourers to the construction site of Qin Shi Huang's mausoleum at Mount Li. During the journey, some prisoners escaped; under Qin law, allowing prisoners to escape was punishable by death. Rather than face punishment, Liu freed the remaining prisoners, some of whom willingly acknowledged him as their leader and joined him on the run from the law.

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[-] Blibly@lemmy.world 141 points 1 week ago

If your offense carries penalty of death what other choice do you have? Die or overthrow the system trying to end you. One of many reasons why it's foolish to have a death penalty in the first place

[-] Fredselfish@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 week ago

Damn that hell of a story. Amazing exactly how many laborers was he escorting by himself? Because apparently he had enough for revolution. This be like joining ICE here in America releasing all those in the camps and have them follow you to over throw the government.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago
[-] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think they’re on to something here

[-] TessaRekt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 week ago

Enough to get a start, then he just kept stumbling into a series of opportunities to get more followers over and over. Also helped that the Qin dynasty was dealing with like 6 simultaneous rebellions from a previous war of expansion. Liu was in the right place at the right time and was such a massive improvement over the dickheads ruling most places under the Qin he just kept advancing.

[-] Fredselfish@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Wonder if we could do something similar today?

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately, somebody already has...

[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

He wasn't alone at the top of one instant big army. He joined a lord who was already making his own kingdom, like several others, as the Qin were losing control of a lot of land. Liu Bang did become one of that lesser lord's two top generals, and the other general, Xiang Yu, is the one who raced to the Qin capital and burned the palace.

Then Xiang Yu ordered the official split of the Qin empire into like a dozen smaller kingdoms, giving some of them to his friends, and then went around slaughtering them to reunite the land under his control, because that was his fucking jam (that was after having made his own former lord the new emperor, and then murdered him). Liu Bang was one of them, getting his own army, and ran around uniting people like smart tacticians and leaders with their own armies faster than Xiang Yu could kill them. He won that race, Xiang Yu got himself cornered and alone (and was so metal he cut his own head off in the middle of the battlefield when he was the last one standing on his side), and Liu Bang founded his dynasty with all the people who put him there.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago

and was so metal he cut his own head off in the middle of the battlefield when he was the last one standing on his side

When writers don't know when to stop...

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 25 points 1 week ago

Love me some class consciousness

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Pretty sure he was an aristocrat. "Low-ranking official" in this context basically means "from an unimportant noble family, or low-ranking within a medium-importance noble family."

Basically, infinitely higher standing than a peasant, yet still the dirt beneath the shoes of the high-ranking nobles.

Confucian bureaucracies were highly stratified.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago

Is that a little house on his head, with an arrow through it?

[-] foxblood@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago

Its a kind of crown/cap, hair is tucked into it and secured via a hairpin stuck through it

[-] Get_Off_My_WLAN@fedia.io 26 points 1 week ago

A little house for his hair

[-] foxblood@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago
[-] SecretiveVault@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago
[-] NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago

Emperor shit, even

[-] pseudo@jlai.lu 12 points 1 week ago

Is the picture recent? That man seems to modern-western-world conventionally handsome to be drawn by a ancient Chinese artist.

[-] ytg@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago

Wikipedia has this one from the Ming era (much later).

[-] velummortis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

At best it's modern art, at worst it's generated

[-] PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

My slop-dar went off immediately.

[-] 20cello@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

What a legend

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Get in loser. We're founding a dynasty.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

May as well be hanged for ~~a sheep~~ overthrowing the empire as for ~~a lamb~~ losing track of some prisoners.

[-] SecretiveVault@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Sounds like someone who had 34 felony convictions and now doesn't want to deal with accountability. You can't be prosecuted by a government if you destroy the agencies that intend to hold you accountable.

[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

BC always trips me up. History shouldn't have negative numbers, save that for pre-history goddamit!

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Human Era for the win

[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

We can only do that when we know how many years go by, though. Western History can maybe count back safely some centuries before that, but beyond that we find some calendar discrepancies, we're missing some rulers and we know we have incorrect reign lengths, and depending one which one we pick, the whole thing shifts maybe a decade or two (short / intermediate / long chronology in Mesopotamia and Egypt), so that's not ideal. Eastern chronologies aren't any safer beyond 1000 BCE either. As you may say, people learned to write before they learned to count.

Even the Julian / Gregorian calendar counted back and was still off by 3 to 7 years.

[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

I feel like a decade drift isn't so bad a price to pay for easier historical literacy.

[-] AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Not gonna Liu: Bang-er.

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