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300 hectares
And they say americans use incomprehensible measurements, SMH my head
100mx100m? Seems easier than one chain x one furlong.
Are you suggesting that the guillotines in the French Revolution were convinced of the god given power and right of the French nobility to rule and were motivated by a fear of that power not a belief that it is an illusion?
Sorry I am just pissed off at Bernie Sanders and his staff right now for being so gullible lol.
Question: what is ultimately the purpose of all those data centers? To store information on every single tiny aspect of our lives? Up to and including how we hold utensils and the distance and typing speed on keyboards and phones up to a micro second accuracy? I do not know... But surely if they are looking for blackmail type material they would need less storage space? Or are they looking for such an absolute birth to death information on everyone they can that they ultimately want every second of our lives in 8K video (while obviously leaving their own in a blackhole, and able to purge their own lives from storage whenever they want allowing for potential new comers who entered the elite to cover up the murders and fuckery they did to get there). What? Just fucking what are they all there for?
I mean so so so so many have cropped up that most cannot be even close to full capacity. Or can they?
They don't even know. Literally. They're just betting demand will appear
So the reason why is entirely due to someone saying 'I want to deny personal computing to everyone and destroy the environment and waste unbelievable amounts of tax payer money and cost lots of lives in the process' ultimately boils down to 'we just had a hunch'?
This is how civilizations fall in the stupidest ways imaginable.
One way to understand this process in a reductive but not altogether that off the mark way is to frame fascism as a weaponization of measurement, artificial metrics, beaucracy, dissection and surveillance. Without paperwork and endless obsessive attempts to draw distinctions between things that do not exist it really isn't true fascism.
In this sense Microsoft's use of Azure to enable the surveillance, targetting, and atomization of Palestinian society for Israel's Genocide and all of the pointless data centers meant to hoard information about people being built in areas without enough water already for humans are two sides of the same irrational coin.
This is just mostly for training and running LLMs. Not a lot of storage on these machines, they're super high memory bandwidth parallel compute monsters.
After climate change, if we survive it, the next crysis will be an information crysis, because the data humanity collects doubles every year, we'll literally run out of planet materials to store informations (pen, paper, hard disks, whatever)
Bit why. I can understand xolexting somedata but eventually it becomes aged out.
LLM till they fail then serveilance
*Regulators want bribes
Yeah no, it does not work directly like that, around here. If they thought they can just buy their way quickly out of this... Now that they got caught, Google just brought upon itself a good round of the Nordic bureaucracy hell. And if they managed to piss of the locals, the complaints alone can delay the whole thing easily for years, lmao.
Oh you sweet Summer child
I'm Nordic as well, it's over
Oh they will get through it, that is not the question. But they will have to jump through all the hoops, especially now, since the whole country is watching.
I mean Finns are prickly people, so they actually may resist for awhile.
But in my country the politicians are celebrating the bribes and dancing to their tunes.
Yeah, our money-worshipper-party and racist-party politicians are definitely dancing to their tunes as well. But we are very much into following the procedures, so you cannot really buy yourself through the system quickly. Google may have gotten some form of a fast track, had they just waited for a bit, since the politicians supporting would find the ways for it. But now that they broke the law, people are upset, and the spotlight is on the case, meaning it is going to be combed through. Which can take time, and they might really end up with some repercussions as well... And if they did piss off some locals, those formal complaints have postponed even huge projects for years, since they all will be handled through the correct bureaucracy.
I don't know about Finland as well as I know about Sweden, but here in Sweden, we don't really do outright bribes.
They are far too messy...
Instead, what happens is that a government official approves Company A for a large contract even though Company B had a batter and cheaper option. The reason is stated as somethibg nebulous and hard to disprove.
Then, a year or two later, the same government official resigns from office, and Company A quickly hires them as a coordination consultant between the company and the government.
And since the person has highly specific knowledge about not only the government, but the contract as well as contacts in the government, the company has a reason to offer a very high compenstation for the consultancy without it looking suspicious.
The person is retained by the company untill the "debt" is paid and the person leaves the company.
No bribe is paid, just a fair compensation to a consultant with highly relevant skills.
Pretty much the same here in Finland, and that’s why we are one of the least corrupted countries around. We just keep it a bit more quiet and are 2nd of the list, not the 6th like the Sweden. Huzzah!
Google “Orpo Garden Helsinki” though if you’d like to read about recent amateurish attempt of our prime minister at high level corruption.
Please you clear that much forest without your government not knowing. This just to act like they had no idea this was happening when they probably okay it.
I'm sure if anyone else builds without the proper permission they have the authority to bring that to a halt. Even if they had no legal basis to stop the construction, they could deny them some other permission, like not giving them a high speed internet connection or limiting water access. No way something like this goes ahead without full cooperation from the government.
Google lied? They'll now use their billions to tie up any legal challenges? These companies must be chaperoned as you would with Hannibal Lecter invited to a sleep over with your family.
When asked for a comment Google's response was "Well, the Finnish are a real easy people to push over".
I think you don't know Finland very well. Ask the Russians.
Finland has a significant forestry industry; I’m not sure that 300 hectares is all that much in the grander scheme.
But I hope they hold Google accountable.
It is not about the forest it is about Google spitting on Finnish law, acting as it is above the law. That needs to have consequences, preferably criminal charges, rather than just fines. Otherwise they are above the law.
I would have pulled the plug then exiled all things Google from the country until they paid a fine of double value to the land they desecrated.
Ecocidal monsters
I personally only steal youtube, the Google knows what I watch and very little more.
VPN + third party apps are the solution
I fell down the rabbit hole of self hosting, some stuff had happened at my place so I had nothing to do real fast. I have a bunch of pis running all kinds of things, I am waiting on a hand me down Mac mini, that I will install Debian on and get a third party solution set up. I currently use adblock plus in Librewolf to block youtube ads on a pi 5 hooked up to my TV. I self host my blog, because hey why not? I self host vaultwarden, I do not want someone other than myself to accidentally leave the doors open to my passwords (which is why I have hardened it so much)! I selfhost my calendars and contacts, why pay someone else to sync those across devices? I have the arr suite with Transmission and Jellyfin running, I used to get emails from my ISP saying stop or else law office of who the fuck will spend $10 000’s to sue you for the $100’s you can be sued for in Canada (they used to email me but I have my ISP email send a auto reply saying I do not use this email anymore because it is hosted using exchange) but now they are paper mail. Slowly climming the walls out of Apple’s ecosystem I started using Home Assistant to be less seen by big tech. I self host other things to but I think you get the picture.
Being one with your LAN is great but when you need to leave the sweat embrace of your LAN and travel out into the scary WAN you realize how much you miss those services so you start self hosting Wireguard (or whatever FOSS VPN) to feel the sweet embrace again. I was going to say I self host my email but I had orignally thought it would be a weekend/week long project, when I got into it I just said FUCK no and settled with my new domain server who has the wildcard option my previous provider did not offer (easyDNS I would recommend over HostHero any day of the week they are less expensive and offer so much more). So I agree with you that third party apps are the way to go I unfortunately do not easily have access to third party VPN stuff with my IP needing to be static so that my personal VPN can be accessed, I am sure I could do some firewall and router kung fu to get a VPN to work on the proper vLANs and all that but instead of that I use pihole + unbound to block incoming ads and trackers as I have been for years already. Now that I am using a vanilla install of openWRT on a Flint2 switch instead of just using Apple’s walls, uFw on my pi’s, and a hope and a prayer with my IoT stuff I can proudly say it is all properly vLANed and if there are ever trackers that do manage to get their way into my LAN will have a hard time getting out.
Years ago when I was learning about pihole I made the boo boo of opening port 22 on my ISPs router, and that was a very expensive mistake! So now all but one of my things use a different ssh port, why does one thing still use 22? I have a pi 0 2 that runs crowdsec. Sorry I get excited to talk about the ways I am saying FUCK off to big tech, but I have every intention of using a third party app for my TV I currently use unwatched on my iOS devices but that still uses my google account.
Sopuli and Suppo are gonna be pissed!
And they well timatley allow Goigkw to build it, after a fine. Should name them rrplantvit but they won't.
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