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The spooks grow ever closer, and the abyss grows ever sandier.

Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[-] scruiser@awful.systems 2 points 2 hours ago

Lesswrongers go full panpsychism: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wCY4oNHpH2HGYGSoP/the-user-in-the-llm-might-be-a-moral-patient-too-a-strange

To try to TLDR this multilayered bit of crazy... lesswrongers already theorize LLMs might be sapient and/or have morally meaningful internal experiences. Except... LLMs obviously "behave" wildly differently when prompted differently and especially when put into different "agent harnesses"... so the big brain follow-up thought is what if the different personas an LLM can exhibit are all different "people" (for the purposes of utilitarian accounting and/or what their internal experiences are like... the exact "theory" can vary by lesswronger). The even more insane full galaxy brain follow-up thought: what if the user's input to the LLM is forming yet another "person", like a copy/reflection/simulacrum of the user!

TLDR for the TLDR: What if not only the LLM was sentient/sapient, but also held a sentient/sapient simulacrum of the user inside!

[-] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 8 hours ago

Jonny took a look at Meta's "Wonder" model they just released. Here's how the thread starts:

The hourly history backup just failed in a way you should hear about plainly: the backup worker accidentally deleted the backup repo itself mid-run. The repo's entire git history and all the DB sidecar files up to watermark 330145 are gone — that deletion was the worker's own mistake, not a platform event.

[-] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Is there a history of how the cult of prediction markets spread to Silicon Valley? Its an old idea but since the 1990s is especially popular with Libertarians and hard neoliberals like Robin Hanson. When did it get on LessWrong? By 2013 or so, rationalists were telling strangers at social events that the only way to know if a healthcare system worked was to bet on it, and not just, you know, risk your life and health on it.

[-] Evinceo@awful.systems 2 points 2 hours ago

Cyberlibertarianism covers it relatively well.

[-] nfultz@awful.systems 4 points 4 hours ago

I think a major influence was "Wisdom of the Crowds" which was discussed in the SF / Berkeley tech community quite a bit back then. At some point that got combined with gambling. There's an old reference here dated 2007: https://www.overcomingbias.com/p/how_and_when_tohtml

[-] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 3 points 3 hours ago

There was the Cathedral and Bazaar stuff too, although that was less about markets and more about collective wisdom. Early FOSS culture was anticapitalist so the Libertarians had to frame things carefully.

[-] Architeuthis@awful.systems 2 points 4 hours ago

Robin Hanson seems like the incredibly obvious primary suspect, you mean where he got the idea in the first place?

He is a close associate of Eliezer Yudkowsky, who formerly co-blogged with Hanson on Hanson's blog, Overcoming Bias, before starting LessWrong.

RW also says 2013 was when he first published as papers all his prediction market stuff.

[-] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I can't find much about prediction markets on SlatStarCodex except a 2016 review of Superforecasters which takes the view that :

Maybe all this stuff about probability calibration, inside vs. outside view, willingness to change your mind, and fighting cognitive biases is starting to sound familiar? Yeah, this is pretty much the same stuff as in the Less Wrong Sequences and a lot of CFAR work. They’re both drawing from the same tradition of cognitive science and rationality studies.

So maybe it was Hanson > Yud > Rationalist / EA culture, but Hanson likes to take credit for ideas much older than him. And we know the Rats rely on pop science and podcasts much more than research literature.

[-] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 2 points 4 hours ago

The futarchy paper is funny because Hanson had the idea in 2000 but took 13 years to publish it. That is a good sign that he kept getting a desk reject or "revise and resubmit." But were people reading his blog, a mix of Libertarian fringe writing, or specifically something by Yudkowsky or SlateScott?

Phil Tetlock started his career and the Expert Political Judgement project at the University of California Berkeley although he moved to PA in 1995 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_E._Tetlock

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 3 hours ago

futarchy

Once upon a time it would take just one piece of art and a hashtag to completely derail the meaning of this

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 4 points 8 hours ago

guys what if AI makes something really really good won't that make people not want to kill it????

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Ht4JZtxngKwuQ7cDC/tsvibt-s-shortform?commentId=5GqafvboceJ7phYLj

[-] BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

"If only the fuckable stupor computer would cure cancer so that people would stop calling us sloperators"

[-] lurker@awful.systems 4 points 15 hours ago

So I got bored and for some reason decided to look at the AI 2027 prediction grading doc again…and its Claude Mythos rank is just straight up wrong?

To quote the doc: “ The current best 80% time horizon is Mythos Preview at 186 minutes (version 1.1; there is no measurement for version 1.0). The methodology change from TH1.0 to TH1.1 drops the best model as of AI 2027 publication (Claude 3.7 Sonnet) by 2/3 from 15 to 10 minutes. Because we care more about the pace of progress rather than the absolute values, we look at when the AI 2027 trajectory reaches 186*(3/2)=279 minutes. In a central AI-2027-speed trajectory from our AI 2027 timelines model, 279 minutes is achieved in May 2026.”

Except Claude Sonnet wasn’t dropped to 10 minutes, it was dropped to 12. to play devil’s advocate maybe it was updated between then and now? but it doesnt seem like it.

[-] rmf@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago
[-] it_wasnt_arson@awful.systems 5 points 11 hours ago

Kind of fascinated by how this guy has gone into reddit threads about this to complain about being bullied, including complaining that people are sharing this screenshot with his full name and face unredacted. Buddy, I don't know what to tell you about who's responsible for that one.

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 15 hours ago

what in the fuck

and I presume the answers default to yes

[-] fnix@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

Right on buddy, I too want to live in a future where my diamonds are judged by their brilliance and my passion as a magnate, not by the child labor I employ to produce them.

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago

I recognise that the sloperator is pretty damn insecure about their AI usage. [YES][NO]

[-] rmf@awful.systems 5 points 11 hours ago

I've actually met this person in a different context some years ago, and yes, his ego has always been extremely fragile.

[-] antifuchs@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago

Feel like this blog must have made the rounds but today is the first time I’m actually reading it and it’s sharp enough to cut with:

Every death on my corner is offset, with a third of a toddler left over, and I’d like that number in the conversation the next time somebody calls me a murderer out the window of a passing Kia.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 2 points 5 hours ago

My mother, who paid for Haverford, says she didn’t raise a drug dealer. That’s accurate. She raised a quant, and the quant made a lateral move.

🤌🤌🤌 Chef's fucking kiss

The comments have some real gems too.

Fair. I've reweighted in DALYs. The net goes up, because my customers' remaining DALYs are low. Thanks for the push.

[-] sbszine@dice.camp 1 points 1 day ago
[-] ivan_achlaqullah@ohai.social 2 points 1 day ago

@antifuchs @BlueMonday1984 lol, good parody of that cult.

[-] whvholst@eupolicy.social 2 points 1 day ago

@antifuchs @BlueMonday1984 Firefox throws me TLS errors over that link.

[-] antifuchs@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago

Weird, it’s a regular Google trust services issued cert here; my Firefox doesn’t complain about it.

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 2 points 14 hours ago

Same here, Chrome works, but I am also behind some weird corporate network.

[-] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 15 points 2 days ago
[-] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

I'm some random shitposter from TERF Island and I can definitely write better than Aella

[-] fullsquare@awful.systems 17 points 1 day ago

As if insufficient volume of text output was ever a problem among lesswrongers

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

Im just surprised they have even more ideas they have not written up, surely we are missing out on some quality content.

Butlerian Jihad now.

I thought GPT 2 had already hit the point of "Writing better than Aella"

[-] samvines@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nah I think it was earlier than that... Markov chain models!

In fact you could probably do better by building script that pseudo-randomly picks words from categories containing "intelligent sounding" words and "lewd" words and "edgelord" words

[-] rhamph@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

Pray tell, how is the chatbot going to know what you want to say if you won’t write it out? This feels a little too obvious.

[-] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago

Aella was homeschooled by fundies. I don't think anyone ever sat her down and explained that first and foremost you write to figure out what you think about something. She must know the OnlyFans model of a celebrity and dozens of underlings in a call center answering 'her' texts in 'her' voice and selling her smut.

[-] istewart@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

as soon as AI is good enough to discharge feces out of my butt as good as I would if I had enough fiber in my diet, I intend to use AI to do so. I know how I want to poop, and I could poop so much more if I didn't need to manual labor little clumps out one by one

obligatory apology for the foregoingsorry not sorry

[-] zogwarg@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

Cognitive surrender illustrated.

[-] corbin@awful.systems 15 points 2 days ago

Previously, on Awful, Gutsick Gibbon spent an hour ripping apart T. Beale's (VD's) anti-evolution book. She was still angry though, so she got her prior collaborator and four friends to join her for a complete dissection of VD's bullshit claims. Content warning for literally everything awful we discuss here, including sex crimes, neo-Nazis, Silicon Valley bullshit, and remarkably bad arithmetic. My choice sneer is her chosen video title, "Six Scientists Roast One Racist Loser (Heartwarming) (Four Hours) (Hopecore)". GG's requested that we not give VD any attention other than reminding him that he's such a pathetic loser that even white nationalists disavow him as too boring and insipid, so I'm not posting this to a top-level topic, but I'm getting a lot of household chores done while listening to it in the background and maybe you will too.

[-] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

More news about the character dot ai bankruptcy: as it turns out, the true economics of the company are disastrous. At their peak, their revenue was around $1M a month while their AI compute expenses alone were $14M a month! Their total expenses in 2025 were around $18.5M a month before counting legal fees. All of this is for a pure text-based low power LLM (none of the "reasoning" business).

Before AI boosters crow about how much cheaper AI is currently, they tried every trick in the book to enshittify: open models, ads, usage limits, etc. This allowed them to cut down their losses to a mere $9M a month.

Surely this is all one big exception, everyone else in the AI bubble is doing just fine!

[-] corbin@awful.systems 14 points 2 days ago

I haven't really kept up, but it looks like Character's business model was still focused on NSFW content. If so, then this is also a disaster for the industry at large, since NSFW content is one of the few genuine money-printers for chatbot and image-generation services; people really do want thousands of iterations of the same fantasy, slightly changed in order to stay engaging, and Character was highly recommended as a source of affordable slop. (Examples of unaffordability include the rampant free-tier abuse on ChatGPT, Gemini, and Grok; I'm assuming that customers are willing to open their wallets at least a little. In general, the porn industry turns a profit, so I do think that people will pay for porn.)

My prior estimate (previously, on Awful and on Lobsters) was that token generation was subsidized to the tune of an effective 80-90% discount; this looks to be more in the 90-95% range. For contrast, consider chatbot-booster Willison's belief, in reply above, that Chinese labs will magically produce a five-fold improvement in token production; this still would be between two to four times slower than needed to turn a profit for Character.

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[-] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

(h/t david gerard)

How much slop is in Linux now? You're no longer allowed to know, so its probably all slop

(why did I jump ship to Linux at this exact moment)

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[-] nfultz@awful.systems 11 points 2 days ago

https://sfstandard.com/2026/10/13/openai-engineer-arrested-alleged-bugging-executive-conference-room/ h/t Naked Capitalism

A chatbot account tied to Alfozan’s spouse, which shared identifiers with his own account, submitted prompts between Sept. 24 and Sept. 30 about building, installing, obscuring, and remotely accessing a recording device, prosecutors said. Queries included how to “build a continuous audio recorder” and “encrypt the SD card,” prosecutors claimed. On Sept. 27 and 28, the account asked about the specific device that was later found, including its unique MAC address.

lol asking ChatGPT how to bug OpenAI from your wife's account.

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