So I know Nords despise everyone who isn't Nord and want to kick them out of Skyrim
That also means you, unless you play Nord
You know full well they'll use you and kick you out like a subhuman
Perfectly sane choice either.
You don't understand, I'm changing the stormcloaks from within
/uj it makes zero narrative sense to run off with the guy who was overseeing your execution, to the point that I don't think it should be an option. It would be better if they made you go with the stormcloaks at first but then showed how flawed they were and gave you the opportunity to switch sides later
The main story of that game is fucking awful. I get they wanted to introduce some choice, and wanted that choice to somewhat kinda feel justified but JESUS did they do a shitty job.
Instead of giving us a messy political situation, where either party may have some legitimate claim to the land, they gave us Southern nationalists versus Northern racists who were here first and you're meant to pick which one you like more.
Gee would I rather kill for the guys that literally don't want me here, or kill for the guys that literally tried to kill me for being here? HARD FUCKING QUESTION.
I think I played through the main storyline once to completion, and every time before and after that I just skipped it once I got the rewards I wanted.
I don't know that they care much for choice. Skyrim is really watered down in terms of roleplaying aspects compared to Oblivion, which in turn is really watered down compared to Morrowind.
Hell some genuinely complain about Morrowind not being a good RPG because of it missing aspects from Daggerfall, like the whole having to go to court if you commit a crime.
When it comes to Skyrim, I think the strength begins and ends in the world building. The characters are flat and uninspired. The quests are flat and uninspired. The voice acting is cringe and uninspired. If they'd bothered to write more engaging storylines, and have more than one pivotal character have a unique voice actor, they could've made something really nice.
Now it's a nice sandbox, and you can have some nice experiences, but I wouldn't call it a good RPG. Or a good action game. A fun sandbox world and modding platform with subpar quests and dungeons.
I have not played this game in a long time, at least not in any way that involves paying attention to storylines that are not modded, but based on what I remember, not choosing a side is the worst option. The civil war was instigated by the aldmeri(?) dominion to put skyrim into chaos and keep them from pushing the elves back out while they silently take over the empire. It makes things slightly better, but I still didn't like how terrible both sides were.
also the empire started in Skyrim the original Emperor was a Nord, so... Skyrim IS the Empire, as much as anywhere else or more.
Not like it'd be an option to not choose sides, there's a storyline roadblock forcing you to finish the entire plot IIRC
Bruh the Nords ain't the natives.
Who is downvoting this? The forsworn are native.
I mean it's getting a bit loose with the term native. The Nords have been there a long fucking time.
Humans on Earth are only native to Africa, but unique cultures have evolved elsewhere
HISSSS... THE LAND BELONGS TO THE LAND-FISH
Well, the Falmer were there first really. They were subsequently enslaved by the Dwemer. Then the Atmorans (Nord) came along and performed a genocide and have been butthurt about it ever since.
They're not either. The dwemer and falmer are the natives.
But the dwemer fucked off / killed themselves while summoning their omnissiah (iirc the lore gets a bit weird), and the falmer... well... yeah.
well it's not like Ysgramor left a lot of the native elves in a state to complain.
I fight for the one true cause. Shouting goats off the mountain.
Fus-Ro-Baaah
It took me a long time to realize I missed the entire civil war plotline. I never sided with anyone. Did the main plot and some guild questlines. Skyrim hooked me less than prior TES games.
yeah, the magic system was gone and magic wasn't viable, then they downgraded every form of alchemy enchanting and so on. smithing was a nice feature, but it's kinda badly designed as you just end up crafting an excess of arrows, bolts, or daggers until you max it out. it's just a much more hollow game in the end. they didn't need to simply any system that far, it's not like people who aren't interested in custom spells are gonna be mad spellmaking exists. they just won't do it.
How? When I tried to dodge that conflict, Todd was right-click-unzipping packs of fighting soldiers onto me. It felt like a meme interpretation of "If you aren't interested in politics, politics are gonna start to be interested in you".
It's so incredibly shallow, from a series already suffering from such.
so shallow people still argue about it 15 years later
and it's not even just the right choice, it's the choice that actually results in what the Stormcloaks supposedly want. Ulfric's rebellion exclusively serves to benefit the Aldmeri Dominion he supposedly hates, whereas a unified empire at least has a chance to resist the elves.
Although if you really wanna dig into it, it makes zero sense that the Aldmeri were able to somehow build up enough of an army to attack the empire and enforce the White-Gold Concordat to begin with. Especially considering Hammerfell was able to beat them on their own. TES writers basically giga-nerfed the empire to allow the war to even happen.
the dominions goals are the subjugation of the empire, and the removal of man from the pantheon. it was an embarrassment in their whole identity of temporary impoverished gods. they did not want either the empire or the storm cloaks to win ultimately as forcing a war between two allies prevents them from joining forces or recuperating to fight back. it’s one of the reasons they didn’t really commit any of THEIR forces to the war.
the correct answer is either should win, even if skyrim didn’t officially recognize the man god, nothing much would change. they are lousey with deadric worshippers already and they are not sanctioned.
ultimately the aldmari dominion would seek a dragon break to force the man god to be non cannon.
The Aldmeri Dominion - Ulfric things always seems like something to repeat. It's not like he was paying tithe to them or anything. Just because they want him in power doesn't mean he shouldn't be, and paying to that line of though only leads to more trouble. You see Skyrim mostly liberate itself, if the elves had helped or offered assistance, I think this claim would have been made to be more intentional rather than the oft-repeated reddit-spteak it is.
The "natives" who are racist as fuck. I am still thinking about supporting empire because fuck Ulfric, but there is a long time before I come back to Skyrim yet again
The Nords' early experience with elves was being the victims of genocide so it's not like it comes from nowhere.
The funny thing about the civil war is that it can be safely ignored. Apart from one point in the main quest, where you need to negotiate a ceasefire, but you can't possibly fail.
I never understood the hype for Skyrim, the world and story is so stale and incohesive
I really wanted to love Skyrim, the world is so cool, and it has so many cool story lines in there. It is just that they are so... shallow. Not connected at all. Not responsive or immersive in any way.
They spent all their time on building thousands of caves where the radiant / fetch quests can go.
I spent all my time in those caves. Thanks Skyrim
I dislike both sides so much that I skip those quest lines
Skip all vanilla quest lines, go do Dawnguard, get sexy vampire wife, grab the plantation from the creation club and live rest of my Skyrim days recreating the anime Farming Life in Another World while power leveling my alchemy.
Skyrim belongs to the Falmer!
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