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submitted 2 weeks ago by Dagnet@lemmy.world to c/justpost@lemmy.world

First round of voting I actually found a candidate I really liked, someone I would actually celebrate if they won but of course the rest of the country is not looking for the best candidate, they only care about electing the worst candidate for 'the other side'.

So here I am, waiting for the results knowing that if the candidate I picked wins I won't be happy, just relieved and if the other candidate wins, I need to fear for the future of our country.

I looked for an offmychest community but couldnt find it, I read the rules and I think politics is allowed here? Though really, Im not here to discuss politics, just lament the current state of affairs.

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[-] gastroglizzy@piefed.social 16 points 2 weeks ago

Same. I did my civic duty and I feel good about that. I'm getting others to register and vote also, I feel good about that too.

But I know, even if we win this fight, that doesn't mean victory; it just means taking on the next fight, which is to find and elect (or, failing that, become) candidates who will reject AIPAC, tax billionaires, give people education, healthcare, legal weed, fast internet, and social safety nets, reform the prison system, reform the military industrial complex, forbid stock trading among congresspeople, re-implement corporate regulation, rebuild our institutions, oh and fucking fight climate change before we all kill each other in the water wars, and probably a bunch of other shit too.

At some point, one really has to ask ourselves, "If they're gonna ignore the rules and do whatever they want, and if we're going to stop them, why shouldn't we do the same?"

[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not American but yeah, we are in a somewhat similar situation. It sucks so much

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

this is my feeling. I will still be protesting after the election although the messaging I use may change based on outcome.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

One whole page of my ballot only had single choices. All of them were Republican. I didn't fill that page in.

[-] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I heard something the resonated with me: "you take the bus to the closest stop to your destination."

We still need to walk, sometimes pretty far, but it's right thing to do. Walking is the with we do between voting - primary engagement, community involvement, protests, letters, etc. Most people expect to stop at voting, but even in multi -party systems, there's rarely a perfect fit.

It makes sense to be tired, for sure, but there are bad folks out there that want you too tired to even vote - screw 'em

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Such an ironic choice of allegory ….. transit in the US? Still works but the nearest stop is miles from our destination, with no sidewalks. The ride was noisy and smelly and you worry that you might have sat in something. You waited hours for this and you are nearer, but …..

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

if the candidate I picked wins I won’t be happy, just relieved

Evolution isn't immediate: we would have to go to a few 'acceptable' outcomes if that's the only way to push the window over to better choice down the line.

People who don't get that may want to brush up on how evolution works to fix bad systems; and also understand how primates evolved from whales, or something.

[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Its not evolving, the less bad is the same person that has been in power for 12 years now. Only thing changing is the alternative is getting worse and worse

[-] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

The window literally never gets pushed toward the 'better' side BECAUSE people keep voting for the lesser evil. The Democrats know that their winning strategy is just to be less bad, so they never even put up any 'good' candidates anymore. And the windows just keeps getting pushed further and further right as the republican candidates get worse and so do the Democrat ones. You all need to be willing to withhold your votes from terrible candidates, or vote third party. And yet every election, before the primaries even, there will be a horde of people screaming 'vote blue no matter who' and 'if you dont support Hilary/Joe Biden/Kamala Harris/Gavin Newsom/whatever corporate ghoul then you must be a Russian troll or a secret trump supporter!'. But this strategy has never resulted in a long term improvement for your country, just a long drawn out descent into fascism.

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Here in reality the Democratic candidates are getting better.

Maybe not on your specific issue that you decide is more important than everything else, but that's true for every single issue voter.

But this strategy has never resulted in a long term improvement for your country, just a long drawn out descent into fascism.

Better than a short and immediate descent into fascism, which is option 2. There is no option 3.

[-] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago

Democratic candidates and their vote history has steadily moved right-wing, wtf are you smoking. With one or two notable exceptions who have been completely ostracized by the party. There literally is a third option. People like you who insist there isn't create a self-fulfillign prophecy. There's other names on the ballot that arent Democrats, it just takes enough people to be fed up. And yes, that probably won't ever happen in a single election cycle. But it could have started decades ago, and the longer you stupidly insist on voting blue no matter who, the more fucked you're going to get by the bought and sold Democrat party. Trump isn't the fault of third party voters, he's the fault of the Democrat establishment who have steadfastly refused to do anything fucking useful.

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Don't really know what to tell you apart from you're just wrong.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/10/the-polarization-in-todays-congress-has-roots-that-go-back-decades/

I'm sure your vibes are very accurate and not at all influenced by biased news sources, but the data show that Democrats have, indeed, moved left. Slowly and steadily.

[-] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

First of all, I haven't read that yet and don't know what policies or decisions they're basing that on, but Democrats love to talk big and then not actually do anything, so if it's just based on campaign promises and not actual voting history, then it's garbage data. But also, if you look at the numbers, even that site shows Democrats staying basically the exact same. It technically shows a negligible shift to the left, but it's basically 0. It's also +4 years old, which was a big difference in the political climate, and was before Kamala started courting republicans with her messaging. It was before the entire 2024 election season, and most democrats have moved way further right since Trump got elected again. It also states that Republicans have moved way to the right, while Democrats have stayed the same. So I'm not sure what you're basing your info on, but just a quick look at the Senate voting history shows Democrats are basically right-wing now. They've pretty much abandoned all pretense of even being centrist.

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

didn't read article

Spews more dumb shit directly addresses by the article

Continues to insist that even though the article clearly shows a shift to the left, it really means Democrats are moving right because vibes

You're not the brightest bulb on the tree, are ya?

[-] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

The shift to the left is negligible. You clearly have no capability for thinking for yourself or analyzing information so you rely on posting links you don't understand and personal attacks. Have a good life being a well tamed pet of the corporate Dem establishment. I'm sure there will be great things in your future, all accomplished by real well-meaning Democrat candidates.

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

So you're just gonna go straight from "The democrats are becoming right wing" to "Okay fine the democrats are moving left but I don't accept their progress to the left and so that's the same as moving right"

And I'm the idiot?

[-] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Are you not going to acknowledge the fact that that was 4 years ago at all? Also that's based on an ideological 'average' of all party members. Common tactic in the Democrat party for decades has been to have a few very outspoken 'progressive' candidates, while the majority are much further right. And then you have the 'spoilers' like Manchin. Who consistently vote 'against' the rest of the members so the rest can look like they're really fighting the progressive fight, but they just always happen to lose by one or two votes. If you can't see the fucking pattern you are an idiot, and I'm done talking to you.

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, I see the pattern. I just showed you the pattern. Democrats are, as a whole, slowly but surely moving to the left.

Unless you have actual evidence that that pattern has changed in the last four years, besides 'trust me bro', I see no reason to believe it has changed.

Now, if you were to say "I wish the Democrats would move left faster", then you would have a point. Of course with your average slightly left of Democrats voter being too lazy to get off their ass and vote, or as they say "taking a principled stand against the system [by sitting quietly at home and not bothering anybody]", it makes perfect sense why Democrats would ignore the desires of those people who don't vote. I also think there's no need to listen to the political opinions of a nonvoter.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

this year was not to bad for me with the primaries. In many cases there were three front runners. One that was really progressive. One that was a pretty good choice and one that felt like machine or really to much saying what was popular to be heard at the moment of time (based on their political history). Now the very progressive did not win but neither did the mouthpiece. So its not like I have to hold my nose. Its just that there was a better one and it kinda suxs they did not get it.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My fear is if it can be worse. I said similar in several recent elections …… but now looking back the bushes were such mild cases of worse for the country, barely a preview of what we have now. Bush was bad for the country but intelligent, poised, and well versed in at least foreign affairs. Bush junior was a bumbling fool but where we lost respect of the international community but at least did limited harm. McCain may have been a hero but had poor ideas for governing and I wouldn’t trust palin to run a stop sign. Pence had well deserved criticism. Then we got Trump. This time “evil” seems well deserved for the first time ever.

Although I have to admit Romney was an interesting possibility. It’s easy to dismiss him as a vulture capitalist but I thought he did well as governor of Massachusetts, he did sign healthcare reform at the state level, and when he talks family values and morality he is one of the few republicans who mean it

This has been a very depressing trend: is it possible to keep getting worse?

[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago
[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Oops sorry. I get carried away with our political mess and don’t always follow the thread sufficiently

I’ve never been especially political before but not only is my country in an unprecedented mess but there are like-minded people on Lemmy receptive to my outrage.

Unfortunately we’ve been overshadowing other political messes in other places. All I can really offer is that maybe things will quiet down once my country gets past our collective mental breakdown

[-] bizarroland@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck the lesser evil, vote for the greater good

[-] baines@lemmy.cafe 0 points 2 weeks ago

there is none

[-] Cellery@quokk.au -5 points 2 weeks ago

You only vote at the midterm?

[-] Pratai@piefed.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

They’re not American.

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