you guys have created a new bigtech company
Posteo
Disroot
After looking into it quite a bit myself, the ones that seem most promising are Mailbox, Posteo, Tuta and Fastmail. I've tried all of them except for Mailbox and they're all pretty solid options.
Each have their selling points, so I would recommend taking a quick look at all of them before deciding. Posteo for example is really cheap unless you need loads of extra aliases and storage, but does not support custom domains. Tuta does not support third party clients. Fastmail is kinda expensive, but gives you more storage than the others and some extra features. Mailbox seems really similar to Posteo to me in a lot of ways, but has more features in their more expensive plans.
Tuta does support Thunderbird as client.
Ehh... It has a plugin that lets you run their web client from within Thunderbird. To me that doesn't really count, but maybe it does for you and all power to you if so.
Edit: Typo
Kagi Mail is coming soon.
Wonder how long these alternatives will last for people who aren't happy with this current state of affairs...
Seconding mailbox. It's a nice no bullshit provider so far.
E2E encryption is a bit of a distraction on email. You're not emailing people on the same provider most of the time, and if you actually need privacy just use a purpose built communication system. With that in mind, it just comes down to something that is in a jurisdiction that you're ok with, and has values you care about.
While you're at it I recommend getting a custom domain if you haven't. It's not much extra work, and will make it easier to switch in the future.
Custom domain 100%. And use a catch all so you can use any address on it, and give a different address to every service/place.
That should work with most providers, but I made Port87 to make that super easy to manage.
The best thing about doing email that way is no matter how great a provider is now they can always turn shitty, and like you said, this setup makes it super easy to switch.
I'm thinking of how to leave proton ecosystem.
And luckily this time I'm not using as much features as I was with Google.
For the password vault, I will try this : https://www.aliasvault.com/
Mail and Drive : https://www.mailo.com/ 1,5€/month with 20 Go of storage.
I was thinking to get a domain name and use it with mailo.
For the mail alias, maybe this one. It's free and unlimited : https://duckduckgo.com/email
For the VPN, I'm still weighing if I will pay a subscription.
And for the rest, I already have something : Photo > Immich selfhosted Calendar/Contact > radicale selfhosted Authenticator > Aegis
With all the shady VPN providers out there, and considering they have access to all your online traffic, I think it’s a service worth paying for.
True, do you have a suggestion ?
For android with split tunneling.
Migrated to Tutamail a year back when Proton announced their attention to gargle MAGA balls. No complaints.
Biggest complaint is email encryption doesn't work for shit for non tuta people. They kinda fucked everyone by not supporting pgp
Ive been pretty happily using tuta for email and bitwarden for passwords.
As best I know nothing has happened to make me regret going with tuta, which is nice. It just handles my email
Tuta is flirting with AI too
Everything I found when I did a search suggests that is not the case- can you elaborate or provide a source?
Edit: comment thread someone linked to in another reply says they have a code commit co-authored by Claude, so I assume thats what they're talking about
They've been clearly flirting with that, and there's that commit.
If you look through the replies they seem to be engaging pretty sincerely with peoples concerns to me, and explicitly say there are pros and cons even to careful intentional use.
I don't lose a lot of respect for them for the way they're handling the issue in that thread, at least for the moment. But thats just me 🤷🏻♂️
I've used fastmail since I de-googled during lockdown.
I'll second this. Here's my setup:
- E-mail - Fastmail
- Contacts - Fastmail
- Calendar - Selfhosted Radicale w/ custom notifications
- Storage - Home server with sftp access
- Document editing - Libreoffice
- VPN - Mullvad (general), OpenVPN (local network access)
- Mobile - GrapheneOS
- Browser - Firefox vanilla w/ uBlock Origin
My contacts and calendar are accessed via CalDav, with all calendars showing/editable on Fastmail.
Nice, slick, and Google-free.
Just a head up on mullvad in case you are unaware, the cofounder donated a shitload of money to the far right political party in sweden. I dropped them for airvpn and havent looked back.
I’m testing Infomaniak.
Swiss tech company that seems to be privacy conscious.
Crap!! 👀😬
Looked good until they advertise their Video Conferencing as secure, and then the fine print at the end says end-to-end encrypted calls is off by default.
That's not like proton or mega, where it's not possible for you to make a call that lacks end to end encryption.
Makes me loose trust in them.
A privacy conscious company doesn't ask for copy of your citizen card ID, to recover your password! They don't ask it for signup so why they do it on password recovery? For me is just blackmail.
I've send them a fake one to recover my data. How would they validated it anyway? Lol
Been there and leave without looking back. Remember this when considering using Infomaniak!
Currently working on that too. I mainly grieve over their mail and password management services. Bitwarden would be a solid ProtonPass replacement but I‘m considering hosting Vaultwarden on my tailnet for more independence from cloud storage.
E2E encrypted mail is very annoying because no one else seems to offer a bridge like proton so I‘m considering using a classic provider with a privacy commitment and just archiving locally to keep the bulk of my mails to myself. Mailbox, Tuta and others do offer similar mail experiences though.
I'm not sure I trust bitwarden these days since they sold out to a private equity firm, (temporarily) removed forever free from their website, and I believe still changed GRIT to include innovation and trust instead of inclusion and transparency. I switched over to KeePass + syncthing
Yeah, when a company's new owners tell you who they are, you're best off believing them. And it doesn't get much more... transparent than removing "transparency" from their company values.
I created Port87. It’s awesome for keeping your email organized, and it’s been really good at preventing spam. Recently, one of my labels started getting spammed, so I got to use the block feature for the first time. :) The weird thing is it was an old label I didn’t use anymore.
I’ve created aliases and then somehow received spam on them years after I’d stopped using them. No idea how these spam losers pass around email addresses, but I’m happy people like you are building tools to thwart their BS.
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Your website frustrates copy and paste. That's kinda lame, dude.
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Labels sounds like plus-addressing with extra steps.
I use migadu. It's the closest you can come to running your own mail server without rubbing your own mail server. You must bring your own domains and you can create as many different mailboxes as you want.
Check out purelymail. Similar to Migadu, but cheaper.
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