"Pre-emptive pardon" is just another way of saying you are giving someone an exemption from having to follow the law.
…for a price, I’m sure.
Maybe it's time to float rewriting the pardon powers so there's checks and balances that can't be abused, because you know if one did it more will do the same otherwise. Invalidate his pardon power, invalidate his pardons, crimes committed by those in office should not be pardonable, etc.
We need to make it so that the president can only pardon people who they don't personally know, and who didn't commit crimes that directly benefit them.
The J6ers shouldn't have been pardonable, members of his administration should not be pardonable. Only private citizens whose crimes had no benefit to the president.
And there should be a limit to how many they get. Like 36 a year or something. Thats 3 per month; more than enough!
They were crying when Biden did it.
Tell me you're guilty as fuck without telling me you're guilty as fuck.
Everything out of that loser's mouth for the last decade has been screaming that he's guilty.
He's unwittingly telegraphing that they should only pursue state-level prosecutions while he's still in office. Not that they didn't know that already.
How fucked up of a country is it that, in America, if Hitler was around living in Texas and putting Jews in concentration camps and murdering them, the president could pardon him?
This isn't a left or right. Abolish pardons. No one should be above the law. Yes I understand shitty governments would weaponize this fast. I don't care.
Trump. Elon. The whole lot of them need to be on trial for policies that have murdered millions worldwide.
Pardon for what? Election manipulation? Theft? Treason? Overstaying his education visa?
Yes
Pardoned for what?
They haven’t been convicted of any crimes (yet)?
How is a pre-emptive pardon even a thing? The notion alone seems like a perversion of the original intent.
It's because WE have to follow rules and THEY dont
Unfortunately, there is precedent as Ford's pardon of Nixon included future crimes. It's fucking stupid.
You can't call it a "precedent" if it was not contested in a legal environment.
That said, the constitution allows too much bullshit. It needs to be culled.
Next president better reverse all these dollarstore pardons.
If pardons were easily reversed, surely many would've been this year if not last year.
Won’t stop the hangings after Nuremberg 2.0
Pardon away. It won't stop state charges.......
Preemptive pardon should not even be a thing.
And if it is, the executive should list explicitly what crimes, on what days, against which individuals, cannot be brought to trial.
This is the real crux of the issue. Blanket pardons shouldn’t be a thing. If you want to pardon someone, it should be specific. Which crimes? Where? When? Who was victimized? Who else was involved? What was the outcome of the crime?
The SCOTUS has already ruled in Burdick v. US that accepting a pardon requires admitting guilt of the crime you’re being pardoned of. The wording of the ruling was that a pardon carries “an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it.” The SCOTUS has consistently held that a pardon does not overturn a guilty conviction. Instead, it removes the punishment for the crime. You’re still unequivocally guilty after a pardon.
It shouldn’t be some sort of “I pardon you for waves arms in air vaguely” power, because that turns the whole “needing to admit guilt” part into a sly wink wink elbow nudge situation. It puts the person’s crimes in a quantum Schrödinger state. The person accepting a vague pardon is inarguably guilty of something, because they admitted guilt when they accepted the pardon. But the court doesn’t know what they’ve admitted to until a prosecutor tries to indict them, and they go “oh no you can’t prosecute me, I was pardoned.”
trump doesn't care about helping anyone but he loves being thanked. He's a pretty simple guy underneath all the simplicity.
Only the guilty need pardons before the crimes are listed.
I feel like we’re getting dangerously close to the point where we start making our own justice
Someone already gave you guys a good example
'Chop chop!!'
Great. If pardoned, they can't take the Fifth for anything they were pardoned for, and they can be nailed for contempt if they don't testify or if they lie.
Look at that. The neo-Nazi scumbag is guilty before the prosecution opens a case.
oh, I think that even if he premptively pardons the entire gang, Congress should investigate anyway. Just so that the record of what they did is made public and Trump doesn't get to revise the historical record.
Let's just take all of his money instead.
Elon needs to spend the rest of his pathetic loser life in prison
I think we need an amendment to rescind the pardon. Reduce it to a stay of execution only. Why is it even a thing? Did they really think giving this power to a sitting president would ONLY be used to right injustices? It's a friggin unlimited commit crimes and get out of jail free card.
They invented “Presidential immunity”. Time for Dems to invent “void corrupt pardons”. Found in the same section of the Constitution.
Great. Then they can’t plead the fifth when questioned by Congress.
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