Online surveillance and other enshitification is becoming so rampant and apparent, I think it's actually pushing people offline. Maybe it's just my bubble but I'm seeing way more earnest effort from others to meet IRL for various activities.
Well I hope you’re right and people move offline
Why ask the question about a hypothetical future or even currently when we have been living in a dystopian surveillance society for decades now.
Snowden is already a long time ago and he just exposed what so many people, including myself, knew has been happening. The consequences are already here. The ubitquos nature of surveillance passed this tipping point decades ago as well. Just the other day I heard my coworkers talking about their TVs always listening. I was like your cell phones have been doing this for ten years now, are you kidding me!?
Consequences:
Loss of privacy
Control of opposition for whoever is in charge of the apparatus
Control of societal narrative or zeitgeist
Manipulation of all monetary systems
Well, that's kind of why the post says "current" you know? The future part getting at "this might get even worse as time goes on"
I was referring to the fact surveillance culture is from the past. In fact, the only new thing is technology. The FBI was found doing dossiers on all the civil rights people.
Makes sense
We’re already at the point of hiding from the T.V. to write privately in your journal, and the state can put you on trial for erasing your phone memory, so that’s neat. I can’t imagine we’re too far away from getting a knock on your door if you don’t have any devices plugged in that they can monitor you through. Establishing personal privacy will eventually be considered reasonable suspicion. “What exactly are you trying to hide from us?”
25 years back it was considered a big privacy invasion that Windows XP would profile your system to ensure it get the right version of a security update. So determining if you needed 32bit or 64 bit. Home or Server. What version you were currently on.
Nowadays, most know who we are, what we are saying, who we are saying it to, scanning our photos, tracking your keyboard inputs, facial recognition, GPS tracking, wifi/bluetooth tracking, voice profiling, what you are reading, what sites you are visiting etc. And all this happened in 25 years.
I fear how things will move in the next 25 years. It all feels like they are locking people down so that they cannot push back against hash changes coming down the pipe. Dropping living standards accelerated by the dual problem of declining resources and climate blow back leading to power structures that try to secure itself using any tools possible.
Watch them in the effort of doing this use tribal justice by turning once mundane things into a vice, and then using said vice against people, all cataloged and analyzed with decades of data fed into the data set.
A few years back, that really felt like where things were going. Now, everything's coming apart; you can't really have a quiet sleepwalk into the great benevolent authority watching everything, when it's not clear which authority that would be.
Loud shifts into surveillance are possible, like sometimes happen after a new regime is established, but that's a different beast. People will kinda know it's fucked, even if they go along with it.
It’s going to be a one way or the other kind of deal, we’ll see how it shakes out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect
I have noticed my behaviour being affected for several years now.
I did find it funny with how muted the language was in the Ted Kaczynski sub-reddit considered the subject matter at hand. In the end, that sub got completely erased off the Reddit, not even a page saying "This page is banned", just a complete void as though it was never there.
could i ask what you do/avoid doing? im curious (ofc if you feel comfy sharing)
Minimal online presence. No social media, minimal use of Google, Twitter, hobby forums, product reviews, no cookies and so on. Lemmy was difficult to join but I am glad it exists.
I wrote more but deleted it..
Internet Archive folks just did a podcast episode about this: Mass Surveillance and the Loss of Fun. Basically everyone is on stage putting on an act all the time.
Thank you so much, I've been looking for frameworks on what tf to do about it, like how to live my life now, I've been depressed for a bit so I havent left the house much in the last few years and now that this update hit the server i dont know what the best moves are, its a totally novel situation for me, i read the panopticon but not much more than that, i literally dont know how life will turn out now
It's already changing lives. I did some stupid shit in my teens, I would hate if it was recorded. Teens now have that knowledge that anything can be recorded and shared easily with the world.
I don't think they'll do any of the dumb stuff I did at parties.
when underage i did ONE video call with an adult, to think that might be somewhere out there... man that's funny
This is a really good question. With everything that's currently going on, it can be easy to get stuck in fight or flight and be stuck in a doom loop that this is all there is, and ever will be. But that's not how it goes. Already worldwide people are rejecting AI, and it's crashing to the ground. Also worldwide, Right wing politicians are predominantly being voted down into obscurity. People are hacking hardware they own but have been locked out of, to allow free use. This is a created space away from the corporate ownership that plugs us in for battery powered add revenue. We are quietly saying, what do we want, and how can we build it ourselves. I feel like green spaces are going to make a comeback, places to go that don't require spending money, places to gather together and exercise, to spite the predatory gym industry or just enjoy nature. Sharing resources in spite of the finite resources being treated as infinite by corporations, builds spaces to gather and trade. An absolute rejection and demystifying of "needing the new fangled thing", creates workshops for how to build with what you have. And sharing skills. What about bringing back computer rooms to gather together and game or learn. Whatever we imagine we can build, and if all other avenues have been eradicated, we will just build these. Just to shove it back in their faces.
Loved the positivity
We're already seeing it with Gen Z blank face. People don't react to others, in part because they could be being recorded.
Probably also they've had to speed run emotional maturity for survival sake.
That's crazy
Just look at China. Subdued is the word.
Funnily enough:
My mom told me she'd block me if I sent the xijinping jokes to her when she visited china.
Anyways, even after they returned I got in an argument with my brother so i send anti-xi stuff to the family Wechat group to troll them and my brother left the group and blocked me. Last I heard he was searching for women in China to marry so thats probably why, he doesnt wanna lose the 1.4 billion population market of potential "marriage candidates". (seriously he could just marry a Taiwanese, since he's obsessed with traditional chinese characters)
My wechat account is still active btw, I think diasporas get more leeway vs a local Chinese.
Lolol
YOLO
Edit: For context the argument was that he was keep saying annoying shit so I told him to shut up. And he pulled out the "freedom of speech card" (which doesnt even apply here since this is him being annoying and triggering my anxiety, effectively harassment, nothing to do with government trampling rights), so I responded by saying to most sterotypically "Pro America" rant on wechat, so then my brother blocked me. Oh I thought he loved free speech, why be so scared of CCP and block me?
China and Russia for that matter kind of do not care about the anti-Xi/Putin stuff, so long as it doesn't turn into ANY form of action. But as soon as there is the slightest whiff of a movement, it gets locked down hard.
There was a group in China about a year back that were living in the mountains and constantly posting about how they didn't need the government and they were never going to work again. And that continued for a long while until they started to get popular and started to get very provocative in their language and trying to get others to join, they were shut down with little explanation from them other than they were strongly compelled to stop.
There are many Taoist/Buddhist hermits and back to the land folks in China and while it is technically illegal, the government doesn't bother them and some even get a bit of financial help at times, that is because they do not actively rock the boat of power. To those at the top, those people are seen as harmless and they know it would look bad to take them down, so they are left alone. Same situations but one side decided to project their position, the other is quiet and does not proselytize their position.
It could be a great equalizer if everyone was just as under the microscope as everybody else. The power-tripping types will never allow that, however.
It affects my associations in that I don't use some of the applications and platforms they, the larger society, use to interact with each other and also that I am reluctant to even contact people at all if they have spyware or LLMs in their phones, cars, computers, etc.
As for if it will affect the way in which people already under heavy surveillance interact with each other, I expect psyops to be extremely effective currently but clearly not absolute as demonstrated by fascists and China losing the US election.
What is a content algorithm if not surveilling and studying civilians to push chosen content in front of them and control how they act, what they buy, where they travel, etc.
Everyone has multiple identities depending on the context. People will get more careful keeping them separated from each other. E.g. my Lemmy account must never touch my real life family identity
Things will get complicated if government id becomes required for social media like they're trying to do. If that happens, you will end up with only one "identity", and people will have to be really careful with it. No more hot takes or nonconforming or politically spicy opinions. Just today I posted a comment I knew would be unpopular, because I felt safe doing so. It wouldn't be safe anymore for anyone involved.
People will need to defend their honour; losing face online will be really bad. Right now if someone is a dickhead and misinterprets your comment, you can just ignore it because it doesn't really matter. But if it's tied to the real you, you need to correct and clarify ASAP. Can't leave misunderstandings alone anymore
Yeah I'm scared about something like this "virtual signaling - game of the year edition" update to using the internet
I dunno. I hope I can go out without being to much different.
Think carefully before you answer. They are watching.
look at the UK, CHINA. thats why flock, AXON, motorola is hastily trying to deploy AI cameras, so by then it will be next to impossible to take them all down.
fisting, it will be a lot like fisting. uncomfortable but you'll get used to it.
following on the analogy, what lube-like policy you think could end up being introduced to facilitate such a process? (if any)
Creating in groups and out groups.
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