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Jon von Tetzchner, CEO and founder of Vivaldi Technologies, refuses to integrate AI features in its browser and wants human engineers, not AI, to write its code.

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[-] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 3 points 51 minutes ago

This ai stuff is like the new clippy the paperclip, GTFO of my phone.

I don't want features just rolled out without my consent.

Long term I will have to install custom roms and get bank cards from my bank again thanks to AI.

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

adult person right here. true G.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

I really hope Vivaldi stays good. It's basically the only browser I'm considering usable. I'll make do with something else in a pinch, but surfing the web without Vivaldi is like not having a hand.

[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

I'm using it for stuff that doesn't work without Chromium (like a translation tool that doesn't break SPA forms) but yeah not being able to use my custom adblockers concerns me.

[-] Nothing_Is_Real@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 hour ago

Waterfox is better, it’s open source, not based on chromium and has a split DNS resolution path through their own servers and cloudlfare. A few tweaks in about:config and it’s by far the best option out there.

[-] B0NK3RS@lazysoci.al 7 points 3 hours ago

A good ol' browser war in the comments to get the day started :/

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 15 points 4 hours ago

Firefox has locally run AI features you can turn off easily. I don't see the harm. Occasionally I use the translation feature for foreign websites.
If you ask me, Firefox gets a lot of shit and it's blown completely out of proportion. Are they without flaw? Of course not, but it's not nearly as bad as people want you to believe.

[-] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 hours ago

AI features should be opt in, not opt out. Every time it updates it also often turns those features back on (at least a couple times for me)

[-] chris@l.roofo.cc 4 points 3 hours ago

I turned it off once and it stayed off.

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

the problem with Firefox AI implementation was more of a communication issue.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

It's a purity race to oblivion : people who know and care use Firefox. They switched away from the default and by that very action they are in the tiny minority who actually has a grasp at problems and dare try to do something about. They are vocal about it, put efforts into the process so they in general want "more" and "better" according to their own criteria. It doesn't stop there though, once they have moved away for privacy or open source or sovereignty or whatever else, they want the other criteria and it won't stop.

It is recursive though, people who care a lot about some criteria move away from Firefox, the now "mainstream" within that community, then use e.g. Waterfox or LibreWolf. You can see this in any community which moves away from the mainstream choice really. There is a vocal minority within the minority and they do have genuine reasons and concern.

Once you use LibreWolf I bet there are other forks, etc, etc.

For those people what Firefox is doing is actually very bad because it goes back to what they wanted to move away from.

[-] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I'd use Vivaldi if it wasn't chrorium and closed source, sadly it's such a turn off

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[-] FireWire400@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It's hard to convince me to switch away from Firefox, but Vivaldi doesn't seem like a horrible choice if you need Chromium for WebUSB or something.

[-] Cliff@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

If you really need Chromium ... just use Chromium?

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

yeah, ungoogled chromium is boss

[-] teslekova@lemmy.ml 120 points 7 hours ago

"Customers don't want it" is surprisingly difficult to understand for a lot of companies nowadays. Vivaldi must be run by some sort of language genius.

[-] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 hours ago

It's a private compnay, they don't have to follow shareholders so it explains it

[-] redballooon@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Methinks shareholders should somehow be concerned what end users want.

[-] testaccount372920@piefed.zip 10 points 3 hours ago

Shareholders want the line to go up, currently AI is a thing that makes that happen, long-term effects be damned.

[-] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 hours ago

They are only concerned about money

[-] redballooon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago
[-] bad1080@piefed.social 1 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago)

onlythinkaboutnextquarter then thinkaboutnextquarter
step 3) profit?

[-] whelk@retrolemmy.com 48 points 7 hours ago

I'm not switching to Vivaldi, but it is refreshing to see someone say "I didn't put X in the product because people don't want X in the product."

[-] Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.au 2 points 4 hours ago

Unsurprisingly simple.
I like this guy...assuming he's mistress free ofc

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