Kink at pride discourse sucks (64.media.tumblr.com)

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[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 24 points 3 years ago

this is the definitive image on all LGBTQ+ gatekeeping discourse, in my humble opinion (but especially during pride month.) i am constantly obligated to say: i don't care if you think asexuals aren't valid, or bi/pan lesbians don't exist, or yadda yadda we need to keep pride safe for work. shut the fuck up! these don't matter!

and while i'm sure some people do hold them very sincerely: it's definitely conspicuous how i have almost never heard these positions expressed in any real-life queer space. these issues are so distorted by online spaces in terms of how prominent they are, and it's worth remembering that

[-] balerion@beehaw.org 30 points 3 years ago

I'd rather have kink at pride than exclusionists at pride.

[-] Theroddd@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 years ago

100% Rather things that push the edges than nothing at all.

[-] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 7 points 3 years ago

I'd rather have neither

[-] balerion@beehaw.org 18 points 3 years ago

Hard disagree. Kink belongs at pride. It's always been there and is a part of our history. Kinksters are often the people who work the hardest to keep us safe, and who will fight the cops beside us if needed. Besides, pride is specifically a celebration of freaks and weirdos, the kinds of people whose sex lives are condemned as immoral by the majority. Kinksters have every right to be there.

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[-] Bicyclejohn@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago

Wtf is kink at pride?

[-] balerion@beehaw.org 18 points 3 years ago

Your response was a refreshing reminder that normies don't care about this stuff, so thanks for that lol.

Kink at pride is BDSM enthusiasts (and similar) at pride, often in BDSM gear.

[-] Bicyclejohn@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago

How did that become part of pride, wtf do they have in common?

[-] balerion@beehaw.org 25 points 3 years ago

The line between kink and queerness has historically been very blurry. Being gay or trans was once considered a sexual fetish just like any other.

Kink has always been part of pride; it did not "become" a part of it. Both kink and queerness are sexual identities that are marginalized by the mainstream, so it makes sense that they would come together to throw bricks at cops.

[-] AwkwardChuckle@beehaw.org 20 points 3 years ago

There has historically been close links and ties within the kink and lgbtq+ community. Leather is (or more so was) a huge part of the gay male scene.

[-] meredith@beehaw.org 6 points 3 years ago

There is a really great writeup called A History of Leather at Pride: 1965-1995 that talks about this. It's very long, but I found it worth reading.

[-] arthur@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago

You can't tell me that's not that Koch Brothers.

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