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Fun facts: the UK has crazy laws protecting trees and hedgerows. There's a national tree registry for old boys.

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[-] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.de 123 points 2 years ago

The story of the Tree That Owns Itself is widely known and is almost always presented as fact. Only one person—the anonymous author of "Deeded to Itself"—has ever claimed to have seen Jackson's deed to the tree. Most writers acknowledge that the deed is lost or no longer exists—if in fact it ever did exist. Such a deed would have no legal effect. Under common law, the recipient of a piece of property must have the legal capacity to receive it, and the property must be delivered to—and accepted by—the recipient.[6] Both are impossible for a tree to do, as it isn't a legal person.

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"However defective this title may be in law, the public recognized it."[11] In that spirit, it is the stated position of the Athens-Clarke County Unified Government that the tree, in spite of the law, does indeed own itself.[12] It is the policy of the city of Athens to maintain it as a public street tree.[13]

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Although the story of the Tree That Owns Itself is more legend than history, the tree has become, along with the University Arch and the Double-Barreled Cannon, one of the most recognized and well-loved symbols of Athens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_That_Owns_Itself

In reality, the tree is not protected by law, but by the will of the people. Kind of symbolic if you ask me.

[-] match@pawb.social 105 points 2 years ago

Nothing is protected by law, everything protected is by the will of the people

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

What if the deed was the friends we made along the way?

[-] dynamicperson@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

A friend in need is a friend in deed...

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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 88 points 2 years ago

and everyone just went with it.

Technically, how all law really works at its core.

[-] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 34 points 2 years ago

Someone thought me the concept of a legal fiction and I still think about it.

Land ownership, companies, nation states, citizenship: all exist because we agree that it does.

[-] Jinx2756@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago
[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

This crooked little vein of logic is what gave us sovereign citizens though, so be careful. Time may be an illusion and all, but schedules still exist.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I mean they aren't technically wrong some of the time, we shouldn't have to pay to exist it's fucking crazy.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

Technically, how all law really works at its core.

Well, that and the threat of overwhelming unilateral violence

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Which usually does cause one to just go with it

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[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 45 points 2 years ago

The trees owned the lands until the humans took it from them.

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago
[-] einlander@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

The ownership of land is an odd thing when you come to think of it. How deep, after all, can it go? If a person owns a piece of land, does he own it all the way down, in ever narrowing dimensions, till it meets all other pieces at the center of the earth? Or does ownership consist only of a thin crust under which the friendly worms have never heard of trespassing?

-Tuck Everlasting

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 years ago

Dude’s lived how ever many hundred years and never even heard of mineral rights, smh.

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[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 35 points 2 years ago

I do like the info, I'm failing to see the science aspect, and even the meme aspect of this post. But I'm in the 'microblog doesn't equal meme' camp.

[-] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

I think conservation techniques can count as science. If it was a rare species, the science connection would be more obvious

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago

when the people who make the rules say "Sorry, the rules are the rules, there's nothing we can do" remember that they literally gave a tree human rights just because they felt like it.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 14 points 2 years ago

In this case "they" is a fairly small city and its sense of tradition, so you will find "they" is actually "because the people wanted to."

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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 years ago

Are they sure the original Tree that Owned Itself was the mother of the Son of the Tree that owned itself? Or did some whore squirrel just deposit the acorn near the stump?

Have they done a DNA test to confirm that the son has a legal stake in the property?

Now the son is young, dumb, and full of pollen. He's gotta be spreading it as far as the wind will take it. What will happen when he inevitably dies and his estate has to be settled??

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 years ago

A tree owning itself and it's a white oak tree, who would have guessed. You can be victim of specicism and still a white supremacist. Think about it.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 years ago

wait so, can i just deed the title of my land to my land upon my death? Is that something i can just fucking do?

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

As long as enough of town decides to go along with it. If the town decides you were a coot and would rather have a gas station, the tree is fucked.

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[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't think it's crazy at all to protect trees. We need them. What baffles me is how much we rely on them and still cut whole swaths of them down anyway without a thought.

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago

Study after study has shown that trees in cities offer huge benefits: offering shade and cooling (reducing energy consumption), draining storm/flood water (very useful in our more extreme climate), cleaning the air and emitting oxygen, homing wildlife, improving mental health by reducing anxiety and depression, being nice to look at.

Every city tree should be treasured and protected.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 years ago

Trees now have more rights than women in the State of Texas

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Actually this tree is in Georgia, so it can't get abortions after 6 weeks either.

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[-] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago

Okay curious question. There's a legal movement arguing that nature should be protected by law/be considered when undertaking things that might affect it (esp. resource development).

Does anybody with any legal knowledge know if this would create some kind of legal precedent? Obviously it's not enshrined in written law, but a tree that owns itself (even by mutual agreement) seems to suggest it's somewhat plausible, and it's not like laws always make sense lol. Or am I just reading too much into this?

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

Obviously, it would vary from country to country. But some countries do give legal status either to nature as a whole, or to rivers, mountains, etc. In practice, this means that the state / a citizen can sue anyone who pollutes or otherwise harms the river / mountain / nature, without needing to prove that the pollution is bad for other people.

[-] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 8 points 2 years ago

Tree law continues to be the wildest

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Emotionally sensitive people make life worth living

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