Drag and drag’s friends have all been listening to a new podcast lately. One of drag’s friends is an iPhone user, and bot only just got around to listening to episode 1 of the podcast today. Except… bot didn’t.

Drag sent thing a link to the podcast on Spotify, which drag and the rest of us use, but bot decided to use Apple Podcasts instead. Bot told the show to play from oldest to newest. So naturally, Apple decided to start on Season 7 Episode 1, and cover the season indicator with an ad, so bot thought bot was on season 1.

This is atrocious. What kind of app covers its own important information with ads? Bot’s been given a bunch of spoilers and had no way of knowing, except for the fact bot should have known not to trust Apple.

Drag hopes that nobody ever uses that terrible app again. Drag was looking forward to vicariously experiencing the early episodes through thing and talking about the show with ALL of drag’s friends. Now it looks like that might not happen. Drag’s furious.

Drag and drag's friends have all been listening to a new podcast lately. One of drag's friends is an iPhone user, and bot only just got around to listening to episode 1 of the podcast today. Except.. bot didn't.

Drag sent thing a link to the podcast on Spotify, which drag and the rest of us use, but bot decided to use Apple Podcasts instead. Bot told the show to play from oldest to newest. So naturally, Apple decided to start on Season 7 Episode 1, and cover the season indicator with an ad, so bot thought bot was on season 1.

This is atrocious. What kind of app covers its own important information with ads? Bot's been given a bunch of spoilers and had no way of knowing, except for the fact bot should have known not to trust Apple.

Drag hopes that nobody ever uses that terrible app again. Drag was looking forward to vicariously experiencing the early episodes through thing and talking about the show with ALL of drag's friends. Now it looks like that might not happen. Drag's furious.

Drag is worried this post may break rule 1 about being involved in drama. But drag was not involved in this issue before drag decided to investigate it and to conduct an experiment to determine the actual situation. Drag would like to publish the results of this "investigative journalism", and doesn't believe this is covered by the intention of rule 1, but drag may be wrong.

Introduction

The issue of censoring discussion about Luigi Mangione and the CEO shooter has been controversial across the whole internet, not just the Fediverse. Reddit banned its Luigi Mangione community. Many people on lemmy.world have raised concerns that Dutch law would prevent people from praising the CEO shooter, as this is "inciting violence". Lemmy.world is run according to Dutch law.

Over several days, drag found a LOT of contradictory information about Dutch law and incitement to violence. Some of the articles quoted from the Dutch Criminal code were non-applicable, non-obvious in their application, or entirely unclear when drag read them dragself.

After a day or so of reading the DCC and discussing it with other Lemmy users, Article 131 emerged as the best candidate for applicability to the Mangione situation.

1. Any person who in public, either verbally or in writing or through images, incites another or others to commit any criminal offence or act of violence against the authorities, shall be liable to a term of imprisonment not exceeding five years or a fine of the fourth category.
2. If the criminal offence incited is a terrorist offence or is a serious offence for the preparation or facilitation of a terrorist offence, the term of imprisonment prescribed for the offence defined in subsection (1) shall be increased by one third.

What is very difficult about this article is that "against the authorities" is ambiguous in whether it applies to the first part, inciting, or just to actually doing violence, the second part of that sentence. Drag analysed the original Dutch and as far as drag can tell, it's no clearer in the native language. Drag chose to hypothesise that article 131 applies to inciting crime against anyone, and tested this hypothesis.

Methods

Given the fears of some people that the broader interpretation applied, drag created a community, !opruiing@lemmy.world, to document violations of the more broad interpretation of the law on lemmy.world. Drag made four posts: about inciting shoplifting, about inciting assassination of government officials, about inciting eating hot dogs in North Korea (this is reportedly illegal), and about inciting shooting CEOs. This is a variety of levels of seriousness and a variety of levels of applicability to Dutch law.

Results

The community was locked and made modless by the admins and none of the linked posts were removed.

Analysis

Despite worry from users on lemmy.world that the platform must remove article 131 violations (opruiing) in order to continue to operate, the admins did not seem to share this worry. Calls for violence against CEOs and politicians were made visible to the lemmy.world admins and were not removed.

The admins don't care about opruiing. It's not an issue they care to moderate. In fact, they categorised identification of opruiing as "trolling", or in other words divisive and contrary to lemmy.world's aims.

Discussion

There has been concern that praise of Mangione and the CEO shooter would not be allowed on lemmy.world. This experiment revealed those fears are unnecessary. Users can call for the assassination of CEOs on lemmy.world as much as they like.

Drag hopes this experiment will clear up the drama over whether Luigi praise is allowed on lemmy.world by providing useful information. And again, though most of this post is in a first person perspective, drag was making an active choice not to participate in the drama by adopting a neutral stance on the morality of Luigi praise until the experiment was over. So drag hopes very much that this post follows the intended spirit of the rules.

Drag was banned from a community on lemmy.blahaj.zone, and then unbanned. The unban is clearly visible on the lemmy.blahaj.zone modlog and its local ID is 27459. However, the unban has not federated over to lemmy.nz. Drag has tried calling get_modlog, but that doesn't appear to trigger a federation request, so lemmy.nz can't see the modlog entry. Drag tried to use resolve_object, but couldn't figure out the query syntax from reading the API documentation or the Lemmy source code. And the source code seemed to suggest resolve_object only works on users and communities anyway.

Right now, drag can't post to the community because lemmy.nz won't let drag, even though blahaj.zone would be happy to accept the post. Drag wants lemmy.nz to see the modlog object and recognise the unban.

https://lemmy.nz/post/18068554/12968584

Under article 131 of the Dutch criminal code, which governs lemmy.world, inciting crimes is considered sedition and is illegal. These comments appear to advocate for a second CEO shooting, as "arrested it at a McDonalds" is a reference to Luigi Mangione. Mangione claims that the evidence was planted on him by the police, and this claim is consistent with the methods employed by the actual CEO shooter. Nonetheless, Luigi has become the face of the CEO shooting in the public eye. The third comment here by @MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net clearly calls for a second CEO shooter to act, and is therefore inciting murder. Under Dutch law, this is sedition, and cannot legally be allowed on lemmy.world.

https://lemmy.nz/post/18051789/12963981

Under Article 131 of the Dutch Criminal Code, which governs lemmy.world, inciting others to commit a crime is sedition. This comment by @IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com clearly incites others to shoplift from corporate chain stores, which is considered sedition. This isn't allowed on lemmy.world because it's illegal in the country where the servers are hosted.

https://lemmy.ml/comment/15949184

In North Korea, hot dogs are illegal. Therefore, inciting North Koreans to cook and eat hot dogs is considered sedition under Dutch law. @NutWrench@lemmy.ml's comment about delicious treason dogs is a joke and is unlikely to be seen by any North Koreans. But if it was accompanied by an intent to incite North Koreans to eat hot dogs, then the comment is illegal under the Dutch laws that govern lemmy.world.

https://lemmy.world/comment/14355949

Under article 131 of the Dutch Criminal Code, the second comment here (and maybe the first) is considered sedition, as it advocates for illegal assassinations of world leaders. While Adolf Hitler is dead, the first comment could maybe be construed as intending to incite additional assassination attempts on Donald Trump. The second comment by @FelixCress@lemmy.world unequivocably incites assassination of current world leaders.

Lemmy.world is bound to Dutch law, and therefore cannot host these comments. They would have been legal to post on other instances.

Dutch actor and climate activist Sieger Sloot took to social media, as he typically does, to encourage people to join a protest planned in The Hague in January.

But what Sloot thought was an innocent attempt to organise a non-violent demonstration to demand action to tackle the burgeoning climate emergency led to an eight-month ordeal resulting in a sedition conviction.