The OP is saying there is no racism. I am saying we accept that fact there is deep and intense racism which runs to the core of our culture and that all efforts to ease it have failed. These people have come to the same realisation and decided to go ahead and practice it the same way it was practiced against them.

There is no other choice really. It's not like people are going to stop being racist tonight and treat everybody fairly. Why even pretend the world is fair.

[–] AWOL_muppet 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, I get what you mean.

I'm hoping somehow there's a way where we can get to some sort of parity and then work to de-escalate from there, but I actually just don't think humans can do that.

We really need better tools to handle our insecurities, as a species...

[–] BalpeenHammer 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is not about insecurities. This is about suffering material and health related consequences of racism for a lifetime and then finally when you have the chance to make one small gesture making it and then getting shit on by an entire nation who believes the only beneficiary of racism should be them.

[–] AWOL_muppet 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Fair point - I'd moved on from this example of the tiered pricing to the big picture of 'how does a society eliminate racism' in principle.

You are right about this.

I do wonder what might the future look like though, when we're all trying to 'get one back' either due to responding to the systemic racism or ...bear with me here, the hypothetocal is a little gross: counter-responses: lets imagine pakeha with perceived past hurts in response to similar gestures? (as im sure there are quite a few completely blind to their privilege and so on...). I'm not saying they did the wrong thing at all with the gesture, I'm merely trying to find ways to avoid escalating things (which in hindsight sounds dangerously like 'peace at any price', but I don't think it is...).

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 6 days ago

This all sounds like "shut up and take it bitch" to me.

After subjecting them to a lifetime of racism you don't think the victims should be able to act the same (not escalation, just acting like the pakeha do). An immediately a cry goes out and hands start wringing about what the future will look like if everybody did the same thing pakeha have done to the Maori (and others) for the last century.

Why do the minorities have to turn the other cheek and smacked with the hammer over and over again? Why can't the pakeha de escalate and turn the other cheek and shut up and take it?