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Is NZ too small to make a difference on climate change? (mas.to)

submitted 1 year ago by rimu to c/newzealand

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Now the climate crisis is self-evident, a common argument by those who STILL defend polluters is that “NZ is too small to make a difference, and so shouldn’t have to stop intensive dairy farming or driving Ford rangers to school in Auckland”

Rod Carr destroys it in this mic-drop moment.

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[–] BalpeenHammer 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where is the scientific evidence that says it’s too late and there’s nothing we can do?

The collection of studies which show that all the predictions of the IPCC so far have underestimated both the magnitude and the velocity of climate change.

[+] SamC 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it’s a huge jump from “things are worse than we thought” to “things are hopeless, there’s nothing we can do”.

It's not a huge jump.

Have you seen this?

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/01/ocean-temperature-spike-climate

If we bring emissions down to near zero by around 2050, things will be way better than they could be.

What makes you think that's even possible. There has not been one year in the entire history of mankind where global carbon emissions were less than the previous year. How do you think we will get to zero.

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[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First, that parts not true. Emissions in 2020 dropped around 7%. It was largely due to COVID lockdowns, but still shows it’s possible.

Did the global emissions drop or did the rate of increase drop?

And what makes you think that because something has never been done before it can’t be done now?

Because the mechanisms that caused the problem are still in place and you aren't going to upend capitalism anytime soon.

he people with the money (e.g. fossil fuel giants) would absolutely love for us to do nothing, because they’ll be able to keep raking it in.

No they want you to do stuff and take responsibility so they don't have to. There is a reason you think the burden is on you and me instead of the corporations and the governments.