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Nobody is claiming everybody learns the same way. What we are saying is that our educational system should be structured to help the vast majority of the students and not crippled in a way to help the extremely small minority.
Like it or not your child will be exposed to Maori words and names. Hell if your town name isn't a Maori word there are streets and neighbourhoods that are.
This racist government and this racist MP want to erase Maori identity and want to shelter children from Maori words because they see Maoridom as a form of evil to be avoided or destroyed.
Cool. Once again I am opposed to shaping our educational system to the lowest common denominator of students.
Mate come on, it's out of line to call somebody's child the "lowest common denominator".
She said her child has a learning disability. should we really take away textbooks and readers from all students which her child is unable to understand?
Do you think that's a smart thing to do? Do you think that's a moral thing to do?
I didn't suggest we should take away textbooks. I didn't suggest I think it's a smart thing to do. I didn't suggest I think it's a moral thing to do.
I think it's rude to call somebody's child the "lowest common denominator" after being told that they have learning disabilities. That's what I said to you.
Sorry if the truth is triggering. There are children who suffer from all kinds of disabilities. Some suffer from dyslexia, some have vision problems, some have hearing problems, some suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome, some have ADD etc. We should never ever strip words from books or slow down the education of every other child in order to accomodate these students. They can be offered other programs to help them catch up.
And yes like it or not those students are the lowest common denominator. That's just reality. Reality shouldn't be rude to state.
I mean, your son needs special help; the most obvious response would be to give him that help, not shape the education system around him.
What did I say which indicated to you that I objected to your child participating in the Kapa Haka or that I am against inclusion?
It seems like you also need to be educated since you seem to lash out like a child and attack people for things they never said. It's not fitting for an adult to throw a tantrum like this.
I do not want the education system to eliminate all words your child has problems with from books and other educational materials. Our educational system should not be aimed at the lowest common denominator student.
If anything I think you are kind of sick for insisting that no student be exposed to words which your child can't deal with.
Wow, do you have to be so aggressive with your communication?
Because the OP accused me of being a piece of shit human being who is opposed to inclusion and diversity.
How should I have reacted to such an insult?
What they said was they were glad the people involved on the kapa haka group were more inclusive than you.
You then flew off the handle at the minor slight. They then joined you afterwards.
You were doing great with the argument that the curriculum shouldn't be shaped by outliers. Simple, factual and not attacking the person - just debating the point constructively.
This appears to be a reading and comprehension issue (possibly complex dyslexia if there's an autism diagnosis that early on in the kids life?), you perhaps could have stuck with that? I dunno, you do your thing. I'm just pointing out how needlessly rude you were.
No they made a specific insult and said I was against inclusion of children with disabilities in kapa haka groups.
I feel no need to be polite to people who hurl unwarranted insults at me and accuse me of being a bigot.
No that all happened after you questioned their education and called them sick.
Edit: read from here https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20376613
I called her sick because she wants to deny students books with maori words in them because her child has a learning disability.
I never said kids with disabilities of any kind should be excluded from any kapa haka group or anything else, she made that accusation out of the blue.
And look in your defence, they DID have a clumsily worded anecdote that was only tangentially related (and it took AGES to reveal the additional challenge these books created for their kid, was what they were getting at - I understand that).
I guess what I'm getting at is: attack their point - not the personality.
Needless to say, I'm over it...
Which is a weird thing to say because I never said anybody should be excluded from anything. It was you that wants to exclude maori words from school books.
You are asking for exclusion. Yon can't aim for the lowest denominator and ALSO to everyone else. This si what people are entry to explain. You are asking not for inclusion, but for privilege to by switched to YOUR CHILD instead of the others.
Yes they should be included, not by removing others.
I'm pretty sure here problem isn't your kid by now though.
Cheers.
This is clearly not true because you are defending and excusing this action. The minister absolutely wants to do it which is why she did it.
You should look up the meaning of that word.
Yea so has prevented those students from being exposed to maori words.
And again for no reason. Nobody was complaining about those words. Not the teachers, not the students, not the parents. The only reason she did this is because she is racist and she wants to throw a bone to the racists who vote for her party.
you experience is based on the fact that your child is suffering from a learning disability. You are demanding that because your child is incapable of dealing with maori words no child of the same age should be exposed those maori words. I am saying this is not just immoral and foolish but it's downright evil. We should not deny every student of educational materials that you child is unable to cope with.
Did you file a complaint with the school that they were exposing your developmentally disabled child to maori words?
you said your child was developmentally disabled.
Are they struggling with reading or struggling with only reading maori words?
That's the intent. The racist minister knows she isn't going to really be able to ban maori words from schools in her first go. She and her party has a long term vision to accomplish this goal and she is taking a small first step in the process.
I don't care about you or your child. I vehemently reject any effort to dumb down educational materials for every kid because your kids (or five of them if you are not lying) are struggling. Struggling kids should be put in special education classes so they can catch up. Under no circumstances should we slow down the learning of the 25 students to please you.
You said you were against this action and then say you support it so like I said maybe you are the one that needs education.
Why should we ban these books from the classrooms? So far the only reason you gave was that your son who has a learning disability is unable to deal with them. You are in fact saying all books in classrooms should be aimed at children who have learning disabilities.
And again you lashed out at me and accused me of being a bigot who doesn't want inclusion and diversity in schools for no reason.
Get your claims straight.
Here is the problem with your justification for this act.
It was working fine before. Nobody was complaining. The teachers were fine with it, the students were fine with it.
The reason for the change is almost certainly racism and hatred of all things Maori which is in line with everything else this government is doing.
Seems to me you were trying to set them up so you could say got'em! with this comment, failed, and said it anyways.
The irony is you're asking to EXCLUDE an entire culture because things are not inclusive enough for you.