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Google funds fascist political campaigns and I don't think Mozilla does. Seems worse to me than using shitter. And it doesn't matter if you are using another chromium fork, Google is still getting more power to control web standards if you use a browser based on theirs.
And Google funds Firefox, to the tune of basically their entire budget. They don't take individual donations.
I literally donate to Mozilla every month, so...
Is the point that you should go ahead and use chrome because Mozilla currently has a shitty funding model?
You can donate to Mozilla , but those donations will not be used for Firefox development (no developer salaries, etc). Firefox is developed by a for-profit that only takes money through sponsorship deals like the Google search partnership. Your donations are used for everything else, including tens of millions of dollars of AI venture capital grants for example.
Okay, well assuming that is true, I'm not entirely sure what to do with that information. I ask again,
Heavens no. Use a fork, and probably don't donate to Mozilla unless you agree with how they're spending your donations (i.e. not Firefox).
I'd use Firefox over Chrome no question, but I'd use a decent fork of Chrome before Firefox.
@XLE @TrickDacy I wouldn't use a Chrome fork over Firefox, but I would also disable all data collection in Firefox.
Just the browser, please.
Just use one of the multiple good Firefox forks?
@Mac Yeah, I do. π
Nice! Which one do you use? Waterfox for me.
@Mac Librewolf.
Right-on, I've been thinking about trying it out sometime. You like it, I'm assuming?
@TrickDacy @XLE I mean, why are you giving them money?
They are openly spitting in people's faces: https://www.quippd.com/writing/2025/11/27/thank-mozilla-for-killing-localization-on-support-mozilla-and-replacing-human-contributions-with-AI-bots.html
Two reasons:
Is your contention that more of mozilla's funding should come from google? Do you use a chromium browser? I hardly see how you're helping by trying to shame me for doing something I believe helps the world a teensy bit.
@TrickDacy No, my contention is that if Mozilla wants people to contribute to their cause, they shouldn't stomp on the people that support their cause.
Otherwise, other people can support whatever their new cause is - since it isn't compatible with what their stated cause is.
PS: No I don't use a Chromium browser. Shockingly, I still care about the open web.
Alright then. FYI, This sounds much more reasonable (especially in tone) than that first comment.
That is your first mistake. Many lemms live to do that. Particularly in the
.mlside.Yeah it's pretty much the fundamental problem with society, if you get down to it.
And to be fair I don't think they are wrong when they act that way. I understand. I also feel it is counter productive.
@TrickDacy @InternetCitizen2 That would seem to excuse a lot of damage - "locking up these protesters isn't perfect, but it is good", "removing these bike lanes isn't perfect, but it is good", "polluting in this river isn't perfect, but the chemicals we are selling is good".
I don't really think this sentiment works very well at all when defending things getting worse - I think people generally want to say that a modest improvement is better than none.
Is making things worse better than not?
I think this is a very willful misinterpretation of that phrase and it's not really something I can take seriously.
@TrickDacy I think people use this phrase to say that even if something isn't perfect, it's better than before - that is coming from my reading of the phrase on Wikipedia: "The phrase suggests that achieving absolute perfection may be impossible, and that the pursuit of perfection should not prevent someone from recognizing or completing work that is imperfect yet still valuable."
If you don't agree, I guess we can start there.
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@TrickDacy In the case of AI, we are going from a good place to a worse one.
If the AI in Firefox is "the good", what is the "perfect"? More AI?
Maybe we need to agree that there is a version of Firefox with AI that is perfect before we can then agree that the implementation isn't perfect (but is good).
uh, what? The good is firefox today, the perfect would be some non existent browser which is fully open source and has no ethical or associative concerns whatsoever.
No one said anything about AI but you, and I've no idea why you brought it up. Not really looking to debate whether or not FF is perfect as that's a pretty ludicrous idea that I clearly never believed or articulated. The entire point I was making is that it's not perfect but it's better than chrome, ethically.
@TrickDacy Sorry, I missed the context here and my comment didn't make much sense.
Removing the dumb comments and sorry for wasting your time.