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submitted 3 weeks ago by ooo_shiny to c/politics

This is probably not the kind of reform our Prime Minister has in mind, but I’d like to tinker slightly with our system and allow a ranked choice of electorate candidates (keeping the party vote system as is). That way, voting for minor parties will not be such a risk of wasting your vote in electorate seats.

For me, this is an issue that seems to fly under the radar but is vitally important. How many people have you heard complain about the duopoly of the two major parties? This would go some way towards making those parties campaign on their merits rather than on tradition, and I hope it forms part of any coalition agreements we see emerging from this election. (Will it? Probably not, since it’s not a big deal for most people right now.)

It works for council elections, it can work for general elections too.

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[-] ooo_shiny 3 points 3 weeks ago

I hadn’t considered that the rising population might be an issue that people would like to address here. I know it’s been a concern in the US in the House. For me I’m comfortable with having 120 MPs as I don’t want to pay more MP salaries. I can understand why other people might think otherwise.

I’m also reluctant to dump the party vote system. I’m in the regions and my politics are out of step with pretty much everyone around me. With the party vote system I can vote for the party of my choice and know that my vote counts towards their final total. If it were done with an electorate only, my voice would be gerrymandered into not being heard at all, even with smaller electorates.

[-] absGeekNZ 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Look at Paul Goldsmith, he has been lumped with Chris Penk's portfolios, bringing him up to 11.

MP's can't possibly handle 5 portfolios effectively, how can we expect good governance, if we knowingly overload the decision makers ensuring the quickest easiest decisions get made.

Ideally I'd like to see max 3 portfolios per MP.

As for gerrymandering, math will sorry you out. Just rule that length of the district boundary, must be the shortest possible length. At that point gerrymandering becomes impossible.

[-] ooo_shiny 1 points 3 weeks ago

I agree that Goldsmith now has too many portfolios and you’re right about how this imperils good governance. It seems to me though that National already has options within its existing caucus and doesn’t need more MPs if the goal is simply to distribute the workload. This is more of a choice from the prime minister about how he delegates work and voters can decide what they think about it, I guess.

Labour was similar, as I recall — there were a few ‘super ministers’ in charge of a lot.

I take your point regarding gerrymandering. It’s not quite the right word. Replace it with a word that means ‘made to vote in elections where my vote will not materially affect the outcome whereas under the current system it can’, if you like.

[-] absGeekNZ 2 points 3 weeks ago

There are plenty of electorates where your vote make little difference.

I'm in the Taupō electorate. This has been a strong national seat for 18 years. Voting against national here, though I will, isn't going to change the outcome.

[-] ooo_shiny 2 points 3 weeks ago

Fair enough. Hence why I’ve been arguing to retain the party vote system under my proposed tinkering rather than moving to electorates only.

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