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[-] Hond@piefed.social 227 points 3 days ago

Fuck Maglev.

Regular ass trains on steel tracks can go >200mph if built to spec. Suuuure, maglev can go even faster. But regular ass trains on steel tracks can actually be build on a realistic budget. Like in theory atleast. But before the US does something this sane they're gonna nuke themselves. idk

[-] Asetru@feddit.org 132 points 3 days ago

Maglev isn't even more expensive. High speed rails that are built "to spec" for 400 km/h are expensive as fuck. Trains are usually shorter but frequency is higher, so per passenger it roughly evens out.

The real deal breaker is the lack of compatibility. Can't ever run a maglev train on legacy rail while your high speed train can use the existing system to bridge gaps in the high speed network.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 42 points 3 days ago

also, monorails of any sort are harder to switch than dual-rail lines, making the networks less flexible.

[-] djdarren@piefed.social 46 points 3 days ago

Well sir, there's nothing on Earth like a genuine, bona-fide, electrified, six-car monorail!

[-] Asetru@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago
[-] bstix@feddit.dk 3 points 3 days ago

I don't see any problems with switching tracks on this thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyro_monorail

[-] Photonic@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I don’t know why you would want compatibility. The Shinkansen is also always on their own track. Air planes aren’t compatible with train tracks either, so if you look at it more from a perspective of what they’re trying to replace I don’t think it’s that big of a deal.

I think it’s also mainly the start up and build costs, I think the wear of the rails of high speed trains on wheels is very costly

[-] twix@infosec.pub 7 points 3 days ago

So you can have your high speed trains run to more remote stations, limiting the amount of changes for passengers. Took the train to Grenoble that way, which is quite comfortable with a direct connection from Paris.

[-] jdr@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

Not more expensive? Hard to say because also nobody builds them! But I don't think there's any specification you could make today that could be met cheaper with maglev than with old school big iron.

[-] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 38 points 3 days ago

Regular ass train gang. Let's stop trying to reinvent something that already works way better than whatever half ass bullshit you thought about for a couple hours.

[-] Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 days ago

Trams for short distance, metro for medium, trains for long and high-speed for very long.

It's trains all the way down.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

What, and think and plan stuff rather than just harnessing the chaos. No thanks.

[-] BooBees@fedinsfw.app 3 points 3 days ago

Well my train has blackjack and hookers

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[-] DrPop@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

We need a rail line that is strictly for commuters. Right now the rails are owned by freight companies so they prioritize freight over people. Yes we do have the infrastructure to initiate high speed rails, but those rails are used for objects not people.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago

Passengers is the term you mean, not commuters. I read the first sentence and thought you were going to suggest something that is only open to people coming from and going to work.

But yes, we need passenger rail that's exclusively passenger rail.

[-] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago

Tbh they don't even prioritize the freight, that went away with psr

[-] VAK@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Maglev makes sense in connecting only the major cities like Japan is doing

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 20 hours ago

maglev is the closest we can get to a portal network.

[-] VAK@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Truly, any good transportation system literally bends time and space in my mind, I imagine maglevs do that on a continental scale

[-] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 9 points 3 days ago

Also like, magnets get destroyed in water, so how do you deal with rain? /s

[-] jdr@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

Reverse the polarity

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

regular ass trains on steel tracks can actually be build on a realistic budget

Cries in HS2

Don't worry, the cost inflation of HS2 could easily be achieved on any maglev project too.

[-] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I don't know much about various train technologies, but surely that's going to cause massive wear and tear on the tracks and need to be serviced very often right? And any debris on the track is probably going to cause quite bad damage to the wheels too.

I don't know, but I feel like your "if built to spec" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, what kind of spec? Is that sort of quality realistic for a real-world installation? Exposed to the elements?

Maglev is definitely more expensive to build and probably to run, but it seems like it'd be far more reliable? And also a much smoother experience for those on-board?

And I feel like Maglev has much greater theoretical speed limits than typical contact tracks, as, well, we basically remove the friction between the wheel and the track?

Also imo Maglev is cool and gets style points.

[-] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 18 points 3 days ago

Most industry nations around the world are running high speed trains by now. They're doing petty fine I'd say. China threw a ton of money into German maglev tech and there isn't really much to see still. There's a reason most countries gave up on it.

[-] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

I reckon it'll be one of those things that was just ahead of it's time, I think the concept is sound, but other infrastructure to run it, energy, rare-earth mining, just isn't ready to keep up yet.

[-] Hond@piefed.social 9 points 3 days ago

Yeah, and dont forget the scale.

Japan is building a maglev line right now. But they have >60 years of experience with high speed rail and the whole concept is established. Even then its "only" about to be 400km to connect three major metropolian areas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen Still:

Construction is expected to cost over ¥9 trillion Japanese yen (approximately $82 billion USD) and commenced in 2014. The start date of commercial service is unknown,[...]The Nagoya–Osaka section was planned to be completed as late as 2045, but the date was moved to as early as 2037 following a loan from the Japanese government.

Chicago to New York are more like 1200km and major stops between them are like Cleveland and Toledo. Uuuh... just build regular ass rail with a bit higher specs for higher speeds...

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago

approximately $82 billion USD

We've spent over half that on the Iran war so far.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/iran-war-cost-pentagon.html

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, but investing in infrastructure pays out big for everyone....investing in war pays out bigger, and just for Trump and his buddies. Which would he choose?

[-] violetrage@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago

? ICE 3 trains are already running 300 km/h in Germany and 320 in France. Nothing "ahead of its time"

[-] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

I'm saying Maglev is ahead of it's time.

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[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 11 points 3 days ago

In the end the maintenance cost for maglev vs bullet trains are about the same. Bullet trains focus more on mechanical maintenance of the track and wheels. While the maintenance of maglev is typically more technical, it requires constant recalibration of the electronics and constant monitoring for alignment.

Maglev is definitely more expensive to build and probably to run, but it seems like it'd be far more reliable? And also a much smoother experience for those on-board?

Traditional steel on rail is actually more reliable in practice. Theoretically the basic mechanics of maglev are more reliable, but in practice they tend to suffer from longer delays when they do fail. This is mostly because the repairs/maintenance for traditional rail can be done by just about anyone, where maglevs tend to be locked in by a single vendor contract.

Maglev has much greater theoretical speed limits than typical contact tracks, as, well, we basically remove the friction between the wheel and the track?

They are theoretically faster, but in practice the speed of trains are most often governed not by the limitations of the trains themselves, but instead are limited by the surrounding infrastructure and terrain.

The cruising speed of railed bullet trains are around 200mph, while the cruising speeds of maglev is around 265mph. Maglevs have gone significantly faster around 375mph, but thats not really a realistic expectation for daily operations.

Imo both are extremely cool, but traditional rail is just a lot more practical for a plethora of reasons. The most important being that the installation and operational cost are just a lot more realistic than maglev. There's a reason there's only a total of 37 miles of maglev in operation today compared to over 30k miles of high-speed rail.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

Remember that the TGV has the high speed record for rail, at 574kmh or 356mph

Yeah, but it's not something you would ever see in operation. The V150 trial had special modified and powered cars running on the most favorable railway conditions possible. Plus, running over 200mph on steel starts to create enough friction to damage the wheels and rail.

[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 days ago

Built to spec does do a lot of heavy lifting. American distances are larger than European distances. China has the advantage of a dictatorship which can be decisive.

But the Interstate system was expensive and had a crazy spec and was built and continues to be maintained at an extremely high cost.

Last I heard, maglev is mostly vaporware. Just build good tracks.

[-] blx@piefed.zip 9 points 3 days ago

China has the advantage of a dictatorship which can be decisive

Not to worry! The USA is catching up real quick on that point

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[-] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

“It seems like this experimental tech is going to be more reliable than the proven thing that’s existed since the 19th century.”

You sure about that, hoss?

[-] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

Pretty sure there's been more than a couple times in history when new technology has replaced old technology...

Yes, but for any given technology successfully replaced, there were multiple attempts with tech that were unsuccessful. In the 1890s everyone thought shipping would be replaced by airships, and yet despite every aerospace engineer's best efforts they remain niche at best. What replaced seaships? Planes! JK it's still 90% seaships.

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