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To me, at least with Judeo-Christian religions that believe in hell as the destination for people who do not believe in their god, I find it so baffling that people can have mixed or non religious serious relationships, with the idea "well we just don't try to convert eachother".
How the hell do you square.
I love my spouse.
I love my God.
One day my god is going to send my spouse to be tortured for all of eternity. I will then spend the rest of my life happily hanging out with my god.
It only makes sense if you either don't really believe what you believe, or you are very certain your partner is going to change their view. From the atheist side it doesn't really matter.
They probably don't subscribe to the entire package. Very few people do. They always cherry pick what is convenient.
Seems like a lot of Christians likes to ignore/forget the 10 commandments.
Not everyone is a purist. Lots of the more open minded religious types are willing to entertain the possibility that their god cares more about people living a good life rather than selecting the right religion. Those types are fully compatible with a multicultural society. Often they’ll play lip service to fit in with the more extreme religious nuts, but the fact they can coexist happily is proof their views are more nuanced.
I’m fine with anyone who is fine with anyone who is fine with anyone.
That's the way :-)
Jewish people generally don't believe in hell because their scripture doesn't support it. Christians often believe in hell due to hellenization of Christian theology after the time of Jesus. Many Christians don't really believe in hell. The parts of the Bible people interpret as supporting the existence of hell are generally being misinterpreted.
Doubt.
I don’t care how “progressive” a Christian is. They worship a god that thinks it’s okay to sell your own daughter into sex slavery and murder infants of the offense of their ancestors supposedly rebuffing Israelites during the exodus (and rightly so! Look what they did to Cannan.) even though the exodus never happened.
It doesn't make sense, does it? Some traditions give birth to opposing schools, and it's unjust to conflate the two just because they share a name. What your describing is fundamentalism, not Christianity, and “progressive fundamentalism” doesn't have any sense, just like “anti-authoritarian stalinism”.
Jesus stated unequivocally and emphatically (at least according to the scriptures) that the Law of Moses is eternal and will remain in force until the earth passes away.
And he cited a law that directs people to stone kids that talk back as a gotcha in a legal beef with the Pharisees- who were like “maybe stoning children to death doesn’t fit the crime of sassing your parents, so we should not do that”
That same legal code that Jesus explicitly endorsed expressly states that slavery is cool, and goes so far as to say that beating your slave to within an inch that slave’s life is acceptable.
That legal code also says roughly half of all women should be stoned because whoever wrote the damn thing didn’t understand female anatomy.
That legal code says it’s totally cool to sell your daughters as sex slaves.
It says you should stone kids that talk back.
That is “biblical morality”. They might be a decent person but they worship an awful scum bag that makes Epstein and Trump look positively benign.
And that is all just reading the damn book with some honesty.
Suffice it to say you’re analogy is stupid and doesn’t follow. Christians worship a dude who had more to say about paying taxes to your oppressors than he had to say about slavery.
The morality of Jesus isn’t a political spectrum. He’s a raging asshole and his morals should be left to rot in whatever unmarked grave his disciples hid his corpse in.
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No, they were just describing events from the Old Testament.
Again, the Bible ≠ God, except for fundamentalists.
I didn't say it was god. These are alleged historical events. You don't get to just say it didn't happen.
Slavery was real, and the Old Testament has explicit rules about it. And Jesus never had a single thing to say about it (besides the thing about fulfilling the old law. Which, again, explicitly includes slavery).
This has NOTHING to do with fundamentalism. You don't get to hand wave this shit away, it's at the very core of the religion you claim to believe.
i never seen those relationship ends well, one is super religious christian, and one is not . the one that is religious wants conversion from the other one. or if you have different religions , which is just as complicated, if not more. it make sense is one is maybe agnostic/ or aethiest though, there is potential for converting to that religion.
I'm a very practicing Christian, my wife is nothing. I presume you could call her agnostic. She just doesn't care. Religion was never a problem between us, I don't try to convert her, and neither does she. Politics is more of a divide as she's more conservative than me (she's not conservative, but she mainly informs herself with traditional medias… God the anti-trans disinformation is strong there!). But we work things out by respecting each others and viewing our differences as a strength. For example, we have children, I speak about my faith, she speaks about her lack of faith, and this way our children will have the chance to choose.
If you studied the theology of judeo-Christian religions, you'd learn that this view is very much a minority one. In Christianity for example, outside evangelicalism, nobody teaches that (Catholicism teaches for example that a “hidden Jesus” saves outside the church). In Judaism, as far as I know, no sect teaches that at all. In Islam, outside a few sects, nobody teaches that either (in shia islam for example, most non-Muslims are Jahil-e-Qasir, “inculpable ignorant”).
First I would like to clarify my words a bit, when I said "judeo christian religions that believe X"
I intended to mean "in the case of religions that believe X" (as in, I wanted to apply my I don't comprehend how a mixed religion relationship works for people who believe salvation is tied to belief), not to imply all judeo christian religions believe belief = salvation.
However.
At least from what I can see, just looking up different catholic sources. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding, https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church , more or less from what I can gather, that's primarally applying for say people who.. literally have never heard or rejected the gospel. IE, not someone who's married to a catholic wife and had a bible in the house and has the choice to refuse church every week.
Sort of the old joke
Eskimo "If I did not know about god and sin would I go to hell"
Missionary: "of course not, if you didn't know you couldn't be blamed"
Eskimo: "Why did you tell me then?"
IE the concept of "invincible ignorance". and from what I'm searching the "inculpable ignorant" in islam. basically applies to people who have never been exposed to the religion. IE if they were around people of the faith... had access to a church/mosque etc.. that doesn't seem to apply.
Pope francis had his line in 2018 that he implied atheists could go to heaven, but the vatican was quick to say taht should not "be considered as a faithful transcription of the Holy father's words". In other words, the vatican isn't fully standing behind that, and that's very far from anything that the previous popes would have said.
A god like that has no right to exist.
I was a young adult in Orange County, California, in the Age of Reagan. And at least back then, Christian girls could be pretty freaky.