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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 232 points 3 months ago (1 children)

His message is for those who would rather suffer than have "those" people get help.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 107 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Ironically, most of those people are on social security and Medicaid.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 85 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I have a cousin who I wouldn't say is a 1%er, but maybe a 5%er. Very well off. You know why she's against universal health care?

Because "they" (poor people) would be able to see "her" doctor. And "she pays for a doctor that is good enough where he doesn't have to work for 'those' people". And she shouldn't have to wait extra time for an appointment, dammit! Do you know who she is?!?!?!?!?

Yeah, she's one of them. Needless to say, we don't talk much. I just wanted to say that there are plenty of people who are against universal healthcare because they think that somehow a kid going to see a doctor for the first time will somehow inconvenience them.

Some people don't pull the ladder up behind them. They kick it down, then wave bye-bye to you while watching you fall.

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[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

Remember through, he loves "the uneducated"

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have a Trumper friend that works at the VA. He is anti-government.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 109 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

I hate to break it to everyone but she does not currently support single payer nor will her presidency push for it. (At least, that's the message they're putting out right now.)

Never forget that everything Trump says is a lie, even if it's one you want to believe.

That said, I think it would be easier to drag her into it than Biden.

[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That dream was gone when Bernie got screwed over. Won't happen for a long time anyways.

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[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 100 points 3 months ago

Don't threaten me with a good time.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 96 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

It's great when a quote is taken out of context, and then you look at the context, and it's even worse.

"She cosponsored legislation to abolish very popular private health insurance, which 150 [million] Americans rely on, dumping everyone onto inferior socialist government run health care systems with rationing and deadly wait times, while massively raising your taxes. She wants to take away your private health care."

As if 150M Americans have a real choice in private insurance, or that the bureaucracy of the system doesn't already result in rationing and deadly wait times.

As a side note, Project 2025 does something similar with cars. Something to the effect of "Americans overwhelmingly prefer cars" to justify ignoring bikes or public transit projects, again as if there was a real choice being offered.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I just don't think grandma should be in front of an Obama Death Panel.

The Death Panel should be guys trying to sacrifice her to the line, someone with zero knowledge of her care typing "no" in a spreadsheet, or, fuck it, let's get an AI with a 90% error rate (always errs towards denial). Those are the right arbiters to decide the value of someone's life.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Our current death panel is just "well, she can't afford it"... just as American Jesus wants.

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[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Says the guy who never came up with an alternative to Obama Care and said "who knew health insurance was so complicated?"

Get rid of private insurance! We pay a ton in premiums and they still get to decide what they want to cover. Private insurance is bullshit. I'll just laterally move that premium to socialized health care so everyone has it.

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[–] dudinax@programming.dev 75 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I'm still waiting on the taco trucks. They've barely increased in number over the last four years.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The real reason Biden's popularity was in the toilet.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 67 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Don’t threaten me with a good time.

Seriously though, no such bill would ever make it to her desk. So I don’t know what they’re crying about.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Never let the truth get in the way of a good ol’ fashioned fear-mongering!

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh dear god, You mean I'd finally have coverage, like an actual first world nation, to get my hereditary issues looked at, and treated?

DEAR GOD, THE INHUMANITY OF IT ALL.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

During a rambling press conference at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, Trump said of Harris, “She cosponsored legislation to abolish very popular private health insurance, which 150 [million] Americans rely on, dumping everyone onto inferior socialist government run health care systems with rationing and deadly wait times, while massively raising your taxes. She wants to take away your private health care.

“It’s the best health care in the world,” he continued, adding, “You’re all going to be thrown into a communist system … You’re going to be thrown into a system where everybody gets health care.”

She's going to give you the bad health care. The kind that the foreigners and the blah people get. You're not going to receive the special elite luxury care. You're going to get the same care as everyone else.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 57 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Could you imagine universal healthcare that’s probably cheaper than the insurance you pay now?

Not having to worry about who’s in and out of network?

The horror!

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago

She’s a monster! A monster I tell you!

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Frame Canada

Wendell Potter spent decades scaring Americans. About Canada. He worked for the health insurance industry, and he knew that if Americans understood Canadian-style health care, they might.... like it. So he helped deploy an industry playbook for protecting the health insurance agency.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada

[–] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 months ago (8 children)

As a Canadian, I'll be the first to say that our system isn't perfect. If you've got a chronic but not life-threatening condition, like a need for knee or hip surgery, you could spend a long time on a waiting list. There are certainly lots of affluent Canadians who opt to step out of that line to get treatment at private for-profit clinics, both domestically and abroad. There's always a shortage of something. Qualified doctors, nurses, family practitioners, CT or MRI machines, etc.

That being said, if you do have a life-threatening condition, the Canadian healthcare system can work pretty well. My step father had pneumonia Nov./Dec. last year, chest xray revealed something concerning beyond the pneumonia, by early January biopsies has been done, by February he'd started radiation, six or so weeks of that, then monitoring for a while and now he's in remission. Everything moved fast, because he had a time-critical condition. Total cost to my family: zero dollars (setting aside costs for gas, parking, snacks for stress-eating, etc.). I couldn't imagine a family going through the same situation in the US.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

you've got a chronic but not life-threatening condition, like a need for knee or hip surgery, you could spend a long time on a waiting list.

This is going to sound crazy, but that's also the case in the US. Months to see a specialist. Referred to another specialist. Wait months for an opening. It took me over a year of sporadic appointments just to get an epidural for back pain. It was ridiculous. All using "efficient" for-profit organizations where you pay out the ass for premiums and then they extract the rest through your dickhole if you dare to seek care.

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[–] reverendz@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My aunt in Canada has had 2 hip replacements. And while she did have to wait, which is worse: waiting and not being in crushing medical debt? Or waiting a bit and having almost no costs?

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don't threaten us with a good time, orange man!

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[–] Ozymati 36 points 3 months ago

Is he threatening us with a good time?

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

Oh the humanity

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago
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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (20 children)

His point is just to find a way to scare his voters by calling her a communist. It's the most pathetic attack ever.

Trump said of Harris: “She cosponsored legislation to abolish very popular private health insurance, which 150 [million] Americans rely on, dumping everyone onto inferior socialist government run health care systems with rationing and deadly wait times, while massively raising your taxes. She wants to take away your private health care.”

“It’s the best health care in the world,” he continued, adding: “You’re all going to be thrown into a communist system … You’re going to be thrown into a system where everybody gets health care.”

This bullshit about rationing and deadly wait times can only work on the most ignorant people who don't realize healthcare is better and more affordable in many other countries.

There may be a bit of "she won't hurt the right people" in there too.

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago

Every American having access to decent healthcare will cause a true meltdown of the GOP.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Now that is an endorsement :)

[–] DrMorose@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I pay my portion of my health coverage at a little under 20% of my paycheck for a family plan. That is technically half since my employer pays a portion as well. If taxes would be raised to that point or even less than what I am paying now I would not care in the slightest. Hell I would welcome it. If it is more I would be a little more upset but if I do t have to pay co pays or the other crap a medical bill generates like the portion my health coverage doesn't pay than in my eyes it again balances out.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (3 children)

If she did that I'd volunteer for her USSS detail. Can we be the Democrats the Republicans say we are?

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 months ago

It'd be nice, but it won't happen.

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 17 points 3 months ago

Oh no, the horror of a developed nation!

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