we've been seeing these "twitter's in biiiiiiiiig trouble now!!" headlines for how many years now?
yet people refuse to just delete it
i can't wait for the day i can go a full 24 hours without twitter shit showing up on every feed
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I deleted Twitter as soon as Space Karen took over.
However, my friends and so many people I follow on other platforms still link their Twitter profiles. For some there needs to be something solid to make a real and consistent migration. I was overly hopeful that Threads (yes, another evil) would have buried Twitter.
Threads stood as much chance as Google Plus had against Facebook.
Zuckerfucker using a somewhat similar strategy to artificially boost Threads membership (login with instagram once, you can't delete your threads account without also deleting the instagram one) speaks volumes.
I also like the absurd amount of permissions it requires. Meta couldn't let their guard down for a moment.
To clarify, I mean Meta couldn't be a little less data hungry in order to take marketshare from Twitter. They instantly needed access to absolutely everything at the start.
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we've been seeing these "twitter's in biiiiiiiiig trouble now!!" headlines for how many years now?
this time it's for realsies.
yet people refuse to just delete it
Many journalists want to feel connected, and since many politicians have a presence on Twitter, they feel like they can't. That means Twitter gets referenced way more than necessary in news stories, which feeds its popularity.
I honestly don't think twitter will ever go away until all of a majority of all major sports teams and leagues, a majority of legislative body members, and major news and wire services have a sustained and active presence on bsky. it right now is literally coasting on everything that made it useful pre 2022 and every stupid fucking thing elon has done to make the twitter experience worse hasn't done enough to cause a critical mass of people to jump.
once you see major popular twitter accounts like rex chapman, mark hamill, taylor swift and the like (and I say this not because of their politics but because of their massive follower base) regularly post on bsky you can probably start closing the book on twitter.
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Whelp, did mastodon got something out of this screwup?
Mastodon struggles a bit to pick up pace.
Found this:
https://www.makeuseof.com/why-people-leaving-mastodon/
It explains some pain points.
Basically it’s “I can’t get ✨ engagement ✨ on Mastodon”
People want big amounts of likes and reposts you don’t get that on Mastodon, the system is too distributed for that.
Bluesky gives them the big numbers
They want an algorithm.
As much as people mock it, or know it’s the source of why social media optimizes for outrage and other unhealthy behaviors, the algorithm is what they are missing on Mastodon.
As someone who always used third party Twitter apps, and never directly saw the algorithm in my timeline, mastodon feels like Twitter always did.
Yep. Actually brave to say this given the fever that word throws people into. But not only is everything literally an algorithm, including “show your subscriptions in chronological order” but we all want a little more than that because it’s easy to imagine how one frequent poster would throw that experience off completely. We need to talk about what we want from algorithms and lay down this narrative that we must stamp them out of existence.
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Mastodon is fantastic for niche things. For example myself and my colleagues use it for work stuff and I also use it with a few friends for gaming. that's it. Beyond that if you're going to Mastodon to reach a lot of people and chase clout or what have you you're gonna have a bad time. you'll just be shouting to the void in many cases. I also use it to connect with people using linux for help and suggestions.
But just read feeds on Bluesky and you'll see many people, probably the vast majority, just say they want something that "just works" and them trying to use Mastodon was too difficult. They didn't understand the instances and what have you. It's a generation that's been raised on downloading an app, tapping on it, and it works. Login with your google, facebook, or apple id...that's it.
People these days simply don't want to do too much to use something. they don't want to customize their online experience like we used to do years ago. If it doesn't instantly "work" right out of the box, they won't use it. And even regardless of how much they'll complain about using it and all it's bugs and foibles (X/Twitter, Windows 11, etc) they'll continue to use it cause, again, "it just works".
"Freedom of choice Is what you got Freedom from choice Is what you want" -Devo
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People want to socially interact on a platform with the intention of letting you socially interact. I understand Mastodon intends to do the same thing as.BlueSky so the question is why is BlueSky more.popular.
As someone who uses both. Mastodon's UI and signup process is not as straight toward at least that is my personal reason why.
The reasons mentioned in the article:
One reason is that it seemed tech-savvy users heavily dominated the platform, making it difficult for regular social media users to find their way and feel comfortable on the platform.
I think that's saying the content tends to be very niche and it's hard to find people with similar non-tech interests.
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Users have described their timelines (and even the explore tab) as “stale” because there’s often not much interesting content to consume or engage with.
This lines up with my experience: it's hard to find people with similar interests. Even when you do, people aren't saying much of interest.
Yep, same problem Lemmy has vs reddit. Only the nerdiest tech nerds got on here. Not many communities from reddit or just in general here. For example, I had to go back to reddit for a good sized general anime community. It's that or fucking 4chan, and no thanks on the latter.
To me, Lemmy feels very much a giant technology board with a few memes.
But I will say, the past few days, Bluesky has gotten a lot more interesting.
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BlueSky has the one thing Fedi doesn't: a large advertising budget. Hate to say it, but we have lost.
What are you talking about man?
BlueSky has money. We don't.
People are going from one corporate-controlled social media platform to another corporate-controlled social media platform. You and I both know that's the problem, but to the average user, they're going to go to whatever has a large corporation spending a lot of money to tell them that their platform is the next big thing.
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Bluesky is decentralized only in its name. And media storage.
Better than the burning garbage inferno that is xitter.
but for how long?
Doesn't matter, less time on twitter is better, even if bluesky ends up the same way. Something else will be less shit and worth going to then.
This isn't necessarily true. Just because their architecture is harder and not a simple server host does not strip away its decentralization.
They have decentralized the following:
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App access (can build your own or show openProto posts in your platform
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Algorithms
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Relay (backend albeit rumored to be expensive)
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More if you consider the domain name hosting stuff and media storage control. Also moderation is planned to be decentralized.
Isn't the only thing that really matters decentralised control?
Open protocols and APIs seem pretty meaningless to me if there's a single point of control for the brand.
If everyone migrates to bluesky and then bluesky says "of we're not doing that open thing anymore because of this new embiggened thing we're doing" everyone will still be on bluesky.
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Taking a page out of Valves book.
Doing nothing and let the competition drive customers your way.
Not really what Valve did. Valve kept doing cool things that benefit the customer, while the competition actively drove them away.
I don't follow social media. Is BlueSky feature rich and only getting better?
The biggest thing that valve did that kept them in everyone's good graces is that steam's core functionality hasn't had any major changes in years. Dare I say, more than a decade.
It's a platform where you buy games, download them, and play them.
In the early days you still had to deal with all the bullshit, including third party launcher installs and crap to get things going, and over time, valve simplified all of that, making it easier than ever to take advantage of the core function of steam: buying, downloading, and playing games.
Literally the only improvement I can absolutely, positively credit them for, is making that entire process, easier, simpler, and quicker, than ever.
Sure, you can chat to people, track achievements, comment on your profile, comment on your friends profiles, buy and sell cosmetics on the market thing, even voice chat and I think they have a way you can stream your game to friends.... Not sure on that last one.
It's like Facebook, FB marketplace, FB messenger, discord, Twitter... And a bunch of other services, all huddled together to make a bastard child with the entire PC video game industry.... That's steam.
But the core mechanic that was always the main reason why steam was great, remains the same.
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It's a lot of art, cats, and big tiddy cartoons. I haven't found anything too onerous in its UI, the community has a somewhat toxic level of positivity but that's certainly better than the general toxicity of most of the web these days.
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I'd say mastodon is a better choice, mostly so that you're not beholden to yet another profit-focused tech corporation. I'm sure Bluesky is fine right now, but once they have their userbase they will shift to monetization - and you may regret letting yourself become entrenched in the world they control. They're not doing it for your benefit.
That said, I've come to understand that a lot of people kind of like having their content feed controlled by others. When they only see what they ask for, they get bored. So I'm expecting Bluesky to always be bigger than Mastodon.
It's all cyclical anyway. No social media company will reign forever. We've already seen a number of them rise and fall. It's kinda like how different civilizations gained and lost dominance throughout history.
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I've been on Bluesky and Mastodon but I'm seeing people pretty happy with how less toxic it is on Bluesky.
Just wait until enough sane people have left Twitter; it'll then implode and the fascist Nazi shitheads will migrate.
They don't want an echo chamber- they want to be able to shout their slurs and right-wing bullshit at you while you can't respond. It's exactly why places like Voat and that shitty T_D knockoff crashed. Once the ratio of right-wingers to non-right-wingers on Twitter hits a critical amount, they'll start looking for other places to infest.
At least Blue Sky supports community block lists. You can block every nazi with the click of a button
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Glad to see people leaving X. I look forward to it’s end.
I'm on Bluesky. I have seen a drama increase in followers in the last few days since Twitter let blocked people see content that were blocked from.
It's a big blow to Twitter that people are finding someplace, anyplace , else to go.
I had to decide if I was going to Mastodon or Bluesky. I picked Bluesky because after reading Mastodon's integration problems with itself I wanted nothing to do with it. It couldn't scale unless each instance played nice and in the years since it went live they had refused to do that and showed no signs of even moving in that direction.
I have seen a drama increase in followers
If there's one thing a social media site loves, its a drama increase.
It’s a big blow to Twitter that people are finding someplace, anyplace , else to go.
Honestly, more than anything, it feels like an indictment of Threads. That was supposed to be the big party spot for creatives, journalists, and D-list celebrities following the burn out of Twitter. But modern Threads just feels like the worst kind of Hype-House crossbred with LinkedIn.
BlueSky feels a lot more like a vintage '00s social media site, which is all people really wanted. Hope it survives its own popularity better than Twitter did. But for now, life is good.
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Mastodon is scaling fine though? I've been using it for years, and it's great, and still growing. User base is a bit tech focused, could be more general, but I think it'll get there eventually.
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Go to your favorite content creators and ask them to create a profile on Bluesky. If you don't ask them, how are they supposed to know?
I'm still on the fence about that...I think it'd make more sense for many to drop social media and opt for their own site with RSS feeds. A lot of social media for some is little more than a noisier RSS reader. Sometimes even literally with those with auto-playing videos. 😬
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Is Bluesky federated?
Theoretically, yes. Practically, the way their model is set up, it costs a lot to host a federated server so no one is doing it.
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The wolf ate our babies, let's go see hyenas.
I love that a Twitter founder founded Bluesky and the logo went from the outline of a white bird on a blue background to the outline of a white butterfly on a similar shade of blue background.
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bsky is currently the only social network with a woman of colour ceo, which is pretty awesome imo (i hate how people always try to incorrectly say jack dorsey created it when it erases jay's work)
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At the rate we're going all that will be left on X is EM and his 200 sockpuppets.
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