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[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 91 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"Bethesda covers its arse in anticipation of a bunch of terminally online American teenagers who just learnt the word 'nazi' and would use it to describe a fuckin nun if it made them feel a bit morally superior for ten seconds"

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I take your point but I wouldn't class nuns as the ideal opposing example to Nazis, either.

EDIT: And yes, I know I'm doing the thing.

[–] borf@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 2 years ago

Putting the "God" in Godwin's law

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago
[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No way....what about wolfenstein??

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Whaaa Don't you remember the scene where they said nazi made things better? /s https://youtu.be/3tJRVRx66GI?sT6VlEsv8uESpiuK

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Damn I gotta play that one it looks fucking dope

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I randomly played the first cause it was on psplus and I got hooked. I really liked this new series and want more

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

It's worth it for the story alone (both main games since the reboot). Such a wild collection of outrageous twists and turns, but with characters that you actually care about. They managed to write a main protagonist who - in between eviscerating Nazi mechas and blowing up secret bases while using improbable tech - is actually an emotionally vulnerable human being. This is such a stroke of genius that suddenly makes the entire scenario so much more believable and the story so much more impactful, because he and many of the other characters feel like real human beings, despite the almost exuberant embracing of clichés (only to then tear them up). It's still campy as all hell, but it somehow works. I don't think I've ever seen games juggle so many different balls without dropping any of them. Even if you don't care about any of that, the shooting alone is second only to the recent DOOM reboots.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Heavily censored in Germany apparently, which kinda seems odd and protective of Nazis

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah they have a blanket ban on Nazi iconography with no carve outs for art, even if antifascist.

[–] Kampfkrapfen_Backup@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Almost correct, but artistic depictions of Nazi iconography actually are exempt from the ban (falling under "Kunstfreiheit" - artistic freedom).

The reason why Wolfenstein still had to be censored was because video games were not really seen as a form of art for quite a long time. But AFAIK that has fortunately changed in the last years and you can now legally obtain uncensored Wolfenstein versions in Germany.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wonder if that's harmful in the long run, cause you're not allowed to make the bad guys look like what they were, bad guys.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

They changed it but you could always just have them as definitely-not-Nazis.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

[off topic]

One of the biggest mind fuck novels I ever read was "The Iron Dream' by Norman Spinrad.

On one level it's a 'hero's journey' story about an exiled prince who returns to his homeland and defeats a bunch of evil mind controlling wizards. Lots of excitement and adventure and terrific battles.

The fucked up part is that it's the last novel Adolph Hitler wrote after migrating to America in 1921.

Hitler was a popular illustrator who eventually felt confident enough to start writing in English. He was a popular figure at conventions and had a huge fandom.

https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-iron-dream-norman-spinrad/7751155?ean=9781490439457

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm very confused, but I have to go into work. Can someone summarize for my lazy ass what the fuck is going on here?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

You picked the wrong guy to ask.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

Read the wikipedia article. It makes more sense but still a mindfuck

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hard glance at Frank Miller.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Apparently, Miller had some serious problems that he's been dealing with.

I give the guy who created Martha Washington a lot of leeway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_Me_Liberty_(comics)

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He's fine with nazi dogs though...

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

"Who's a victim of moral luck? Who's a coerced actor? Is it you? It is! It is you!"

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Germany be like, "Nazi symbols, NEIN!", showing it is totally not missing the point, specially given whom they support.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

There are no more restrictions on Nazi symbols in videogames, except that glorifying Nazism remains illegal regardless of the medium, of course.

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