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[–] Rangelus 6 points 1 year ago

And yet the government won't even give them a pay rise to match inflation. Shameful.

[–] nick@campfyre.nickwebster.dev 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get a couple ads from the Victoria government asking me to move to Mebourne if I'm an ECE teacher every time I listen to a podcast now.

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I understand what and why but it feels really scummy for them to be stealing our teachers

[–] Ilovethebomb 5 points 1 year ago

Meh, it's the free market baby! If we want to keep them, we should pay them accordingly.

[–] gibberish_driftwood 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't like it either but NZ does it too. Eg. We're poaching Fiji's bus drivers.

In the end we're never going compete with what Australia can offer financially, but NZ never used to need to. It used to be that many people would accept a lower salary and often even migrate to NZ because it offered a better way of life than so many other places, often including Australia, but presently its questionable of that's still true for a lot of people. That's especially the case if you're in a front line profession like teaching or nursing where the nature of the job means you constantly have to face consequences from increasing breakdowns in other parts of society.

[–] Dave 1 points 1 year ago

Honesty many people I know immigrated to NZ because they couldn't get into Australia. That was probably 20-30 years ago.

When unemployment starts rising again Australia will be taking less, but of course by then we won't need them either.

NZ doesn't have a shortage of teachers. I come across teachers all the time, they just argent teaching because they can make more money in an entry level call centre job with a lot less stress.

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God I wish our government would actually act... A 20k raise is crazy, especially when they're so less isolated

[–] BalpeenHammer 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can't afford that, they can.

It's as simple as that.

[–] Longpork_afficianado 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you take the ratio of teachers to taxpayers(i ballparked it at 70k vs 1.4m) then it costs each tax payer an additional 5c in tax for every dollar we raise teachers wages. I dont think a $1000 tax bump to ensure out children have a good education is that expensive.

[–] Dave 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, you estimate 1.4m taxpayers? In a country of 5 million people? What is it based on?

I'm not saying you're wrong, that's just a bit surprising if you're right.

[–] Longpork_afficianado 2 points 1 year ago

Oops, you're right. I had that figure in my memory from somewhere, but I was mistaken. A googling tells me that the number of employed people in NZ is just shy of 2.9m, so the tax increase would be approx 2.5c per taxpayer for every dollar to teachers.

[–] BalpeenHammer 0 points 1 year ago

I'll need to see the numbers. I don't believe that a mere 5% in increased taxes would match salaries in Australia and I certainly don't believe anybody can win an election promising a five percent tax raise.

[–] Fizz 4 points 1 year ago

We should send teachers over there to teach aussies the wrong stuff. Then we become the smarter nation and boom we rich.